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Old 03-10-2010, 05:36 PM
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That engine looks like a Target Master, Hecho en Mexico engine, and of softer cast iron. Such a new engine to have this break is more than just the wrong bolts and no starter support. Metalurgy plays a big part. But, you're on the right track with the adapter. I think by the time the 1/4" thick blanchard ground steel adapter plate is installed, and sandwiched between the block and transmission bellhousing, and the cast iron 3 bolt snout starter is installed, along with a starter motor support, it will be plenty strong; a least as strong as a Hecho en Mexico block. It would be nice to see pics of a broken starter motor pad repaired for use with a mini starter; it would probably be best handled with the block out of the vehicle. I know I have trouble keeping holes straight when drilling.

It's not a Mexican block. But it's not a new block either. From what I got from the numbers on the block, it was used in the late 60's to mid 70's, if I remember correctly. The previous owner said when the starter ear broke, he discovered the guy who built the motor used the wrong bolts. My guess is, when the guy who built it put it together, he just cranked the piss out of the outer bolt. Maybe there was already a stress crack or maybe just a flaw from the factory. Either way, I don't care. I just want to fix it now so I won't have to roll-start it once the engine is in.


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Old 03-12-2010, 07:38 AM
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It's not a Mexican block. But it's not a new block either. From what I got from the numbers on the block, it was used in the late 60's to mid 70's, if I remember correctly. The previous owner said when the starter ear broke, he discovered the guy who built the motor used the wrong bolts. My guess is, when the guy who built it put it together, he just cranked the piss out of the outer bolt. Maybe there was already a stress crack or maybe just a flaw from the factory. Either way, I don't care. I just want to fix it now so I won't have to roll-start it once the engine is in.

Well then, oakie, doakie, mighty fine. The oil pan looked like the kind used with the Mexican made blocks; with the separate extra metal supports. You're still on the right track IMO. Post some pics when you have it back together, and offer an opinion on how it worked out for you. And again guys, let's see some pics of a mini-starter used to repair a broken boss. The other option, since you mentioned "rolling" it to start it, suggests it's a manual trans vehicle ( but there's a flexplate currently on your engine). So, use the early cast iron manual bellhousing, that uses the same starter, and you won't need the plate. Or, you could also go with an SFI scattershield; they also have the provisions for a bellhousing mount starter. You are aware you'll need a 168 tooth, 14" diameter flywheel or flexplate for any of these "repairs"; not 100% sure with the mini -starter however. IF it's for an auto trans, then it's the plate; or a cast iron Powerglide, or cast iron Hydramatic. Good luck. Butch/junior stocker.

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Yeah, it's got a 168 tooth flexplate on it now. That's coming off and going into the "parts for sale" pile and being replaced with a flywheel. My Nova has a Saginaw 3 speed in it for now. It eventually will be a Muncie 4 speed. I looked for an SFI scatter shield with the bellhousing starter provision, but had no luck in my search. I also looked into the old cast iron bellhousing with the starter provision, but had trouble finding one for a reasonable price. I'm putting this car together on a budget, so I'm looking for the cheapest fix for the moment. Down the road, I may change it up for something better, but for now, the adapter plate with the bellhousing starter looks to be the cheapest/best repair.
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Those oil pan support 'rails' are used on most all "wrong-side" dipstick blocks, at least they've been on all of them I've had. If that's even what's being referred to...

Is it just me, or do those oversized photos cause the text to not fit? Or this might just be another problem w/MY old 'puter box?
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