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Old 10-15-2010, 09:50 AM
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I just got off the phone with their paint tech.

I asked him what they would consider an over reduction for a "flow coat". He said it's all preference, but normal reduction would be 4:1:1 (paint, activator, reducer). Over reduction would be 4:1:1.5. He also mentioned you would make your clear passes fast with the over reduced flow coat. If you get a run, don't worry. Sand it out and lay another coat.

I also asked him whom manufactures their paint. Is it Kirker? He said, "They get their paint from a sourced out manufacturer who's been making paint for over 150 years. People have been making guesses from PPG, Kirker, Sherwin William's, etc. I can't tell you who it is though."

Seemed like a nice guy and knew his stuff.
Well , I can see where that would be okay . I was thinking by over reduction they meant something like 4:1:3 , which would bother me a lot .

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are yall serious ?????

and summit has no paint tech. call kirker .

Serious, but brain dead buddy!!!!!!!!!!!!
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As Shine said
Call a REAL paint rep or tech, not a guy who sells parts!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's like walkin into a tranny shop and askin the tech if he'd paint your car!!!!
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Old 10-15-2010, 10:11 AM
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Call a REAL paint rep or tech, not a guy who sells parts!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's like walkin into a tranny shop and askin the tech if he'd paint your car!!!!
That was their paint tech I talked to. Get a clue. I called tech support, not a sales man. You have to call a whole different number for their tech support. Read next time.
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since summit does not make paint just what kind of tech help do you think they will have ???? and over reducing clear is trying making up for poor gun control or adjustment. it is never the answer.
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since summit does not make paint just what kind of tech help do you think they will have ???? and over reducing clear is trying making up for poor gun control or adjustment. it is never the answer.
Shine , I think that brings us all the way back to one of my first posts . I'd rather mix it right and spray it like it supposed to be sprayed instead of over reducing . I noticed the other guys I used to associate with had trouble getting their metallics even so they used to over reduce and spray at a distance . I used a Devilbiss siphon gun with a high volume air cap (not legal anymore I gather) and I had a 15" wide pattern at 12" from the spraying surface . You had to be on the ball with that one . Emptied a qt. cup in just a couple minutes . It's what I used to paint my T-bucket by the way . Just don't tell anybody , okay .
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drop coats cause more trouble than they solve. the dry met will move with the first coat of clear. metallics have to be shot wet and even or they will move around.
reducing can be pushed to 5 maybe 10% but thats all. the whole point is to get rid of solvents.

my favorite gun was my jga .
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Coming from a newbie painter and someone who frequents (lurks) several auto/paint forums, Shine is a bit rough on the replies, but is always so right it hurts.
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Coming from a newbie painter and someone who frequents (lurks) several auto/paint forums, Shine is a bit rough on the replies, but is always so right it hurts.
Yup . He has the experience . I was only in the paint and body business for 3 years ('82 to '85) , mainly because I moved 1300 miles , but I learned alot in that time . Mainly what not to do by watching the other guys. The first car I did was my '75 Nova SS and everyone wanted to know who painted it . It was all the adverising I needed . Ran one ad for two weeks ( a weekly paper so the ad only showed 2 X ) and never needed to adverise again . I was booked 3 mo. in advance. OOOOPS ...Sorry . did not mean to brag . Just meant to say there are a lot more experinced painters than I on here . I can just speak from my experience.
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Coming from a newbie painter and someone who frequents (lurks) several auto/paint forums, Shine is a bit rough on the replies, but is always so right it hurts.


Yeah, he's a little rough around the edge's but after pullin the trigger for over 40 years you'd be a little rough also.

I know I get sick and tired of tryin to help so called painters out also, and I've only been pullin the trigger for 45+ years
And yeah Shine, still got probably 8 or 10 JGA's
Best gun ever made.
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Wow , You deserve to be proud of those results ! ! BTW . Did you use any reducer and if so , what ratio ? I didn't reduce mine at all. First time I sprayed anything without reducer .
Now THAT looks great whatever you used...I agree you can be very proud of that kind of work....Your a natural .....in thrity or fourty years you can be a crusty old bass turd Too ... ...Dont be a painter be someone that can paint well....Screwem,
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Now THAT looks great whatever you used...I agree you can be very proud of that kind of work....Your a natural .....in thrity or fourty years you can be a crusty old bass turd Too ... ...Dont be a painter be someone that can paint well....Screwem,

Thanks! I'm just a guy trying to save a little $$$ by spraying at home. I'm pretty happy with the results, so far.

I DO appreciate the advice guys.

I recorded my spraying sessions, well I forgot to record the first one. This time around I mixed the paint 4:1:1, just to see how it would do. It came out pretty good, other than my newb painter errors and limitations of painting in a garage.

Second coat of black.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHilV2q-AjQ


First coat of clear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQTyLxWOZXg


Second coat of clear. My creeper tried to sabotage the paint on my deck lid. I laid the second coat of clear on wet so I will have some material to sand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc_E-Yhe6XY


Here are the results. The wife got involved.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yJwi8sXkvY


I plan to sand with 600 and then lay a flow coat. I'll post the results.
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It looks GREAT in the video . We always tend to be overly critical of our own paint jobs . Take my word for it from experience that there are flaws in there that no one will ever see if you don't point them out . I could NOT see any in the video . Great job , and I like the wrist action where you try to keep the gun perpendicular to the surface at all times and I think I could hear you leave off of the trigger at the end of each pass . You must have been reading some good tech articles or been taking to an experienced painter .
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It looks GREAT in the video . We always tend to be overly critical of our own paint jobs . Take my word for it from experience that there are flaws in there that no one will ever see if you don't point them out . I could NOT see any in the video . Great job , and I like the wrist action where you try to keep the gun perpendicular to the surface at all times and I think I could hear you leave off of the trigger at the end of each pass . You must have been reading some good tech articles or been taking to an experienced painter .
Thanks. That's true. I'm sure I might have a couple hick ups in the final paint job but I wont be pointing those out. Until then, I'm going to correct as much as possible.

I've read quite a few tech articles, and books. A couple of the things I've learned is wrist technique (ie keeping the gun parallel to the surface you're spraying) and I think they call it feathering, where you release the trigger just enough so no paint is coming out at the end of your panel but you still have your air flow. I wish I was better at it, but the more I paint the more I'm getting the hang of it.

Thanks again.
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Here are the final results. I wet sanded with 400, then 600. I mixed the paint 4:1:1.5 (paint, activator, reducer) and sprayed it on wet. They look just as good as a cut and buffed paint job, almost just as good. I'm very happy with the results.










Video of me painting the flow coat (video still may be processing, but I can see it. Check back a little later if you can't).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9mdqpQQCbs
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