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Old 11-21-2010, 12:50 PM
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TCI frame fitting '32 Tudor

I'm wondering if anyone has had a problem fitting the front fender braces to the TCI frame? After a few days, I had removed the old frame and placed the new TCI frame (with independent suspension) under the '32 Tudor body. Everything seemed to fit like it should except when it came to bolting the front fender braces. I found that they would not clear the upper A arm shafts. In order to clear these shafts, I had to cut the braces and notch them for the suspension, which made them weaker. I had talked to another person about this and they said that they removed the front braces altogether. That doesn't make sense! Is this a fault of the design process or am I doing something wrong?????

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It is a common practice to modify the front fender braces with a IFS ... under a 32 Ford. TCI has the same issue of any other chassis builder when dealing with a 32 Ford chassis and a IFS ... two things trying to be in the same place at the same time.

Thats another reason I prefer a straight axle under my 32 Fords ...

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I had the same problem with a 32 Ford Vicky IFS frame from TCI. For the front fender braces to clear we had to cut a notch nearly all the way through the brace. We reinforced the braces as much as possible, and they still weren't as strong as they should be/used to be.

As it turns out though, we didn't use the modified braces at all, we used stock ones. We ended up cutting the IFS crossmember out of the new TCI frame and re-welding it 1-1/2" lower on the frame to give an additional 1.5" of ride height in the front so we didn't have to run tiny front wheels to clear the fenders. We even told TCI what size tire we intended to use and they said it will work fine.

At first we thought we could get enough fender clearance by replacing the TCI drop spindles with stock height ones, but sadly the TCI IFS spindle is unique, and they don't make a 'stock height' version.

TCI customer service said we will just have to use smaller tires. Which we heard as 'if you want a frame built to suit your project plan, go somewhere else.'

We buy 2-3 frames per year, and that was the last TCI frame we ever bought. Now we buy mostly Fat Man and Roadster Shop frames.

Sorry about the long-winded response. The short answer to your question is: Yes, I too have had to modify front fender braces to within an inch of their life to get them to fit a 32 Ford TCI IFS frame.

Good Luck....

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You have to modify the fender braces for the TCI (or anyone elses IFS) No big deal in the grand scheme of building a car - though I would add some reinforcing inside:



This happens to be a '31, but exactly the same as far as the brace mod.

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I had to do the same thing with my TCI '32 IFS chassis and had 1/8" plate tig'd in the "valley" for strength. With that being done it was still not as strong as before but you have to remember that once you install your headlight bar that really tightens the fenders up nicely.

Now to the TCI "Customer Service"....I have a good friend that is a long time dealer for TCI and got me a hell of a deal on my stage III chassis. I really like the chassis BUT the CS was absolutely the worst, wrong parts, the aluminum arms for the rear sway bar, adjustable end links and 2 of the rear 4 bars were for a Mod. A...call on the phone and "Carlos" had no idea what I was talking about etc. Anyway, Carlos is no longer at TCI, I hope CS is better. No matter what you buy or who you buy it from a little tweaking may be necessary.
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Now to the TCI "Customer Service"....I have a good friend that is a long time dealer for TCI and got me a hell of a deal on my stage III chassis. I really like the chassis BUT the CS was absolutely the worst, wrong parts, the aluminum arms for the rear sway bar, adjustable end links and 2 of the rear 4 bars were for a Mod. A...call on the phone and "Carlos" had no idea what I was talking about etc. Anyway, Carlos is no longer at TCI, I hope CS is better. No matter what you buy or who you buy it from a little tweaking may be necessary.
Carlos definitely sucked.........Luckily, he is long gone

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As it turns out though, we didn't use the modified braces at all, we used stock ones. We ended up cutting the IFS crossmember out of the new TCI frame and re-welding it 1-1/2" lower on the frame to give an additional 1.5" of ride height in the front so we didn't have to run tiny front wheels to clear the fenders. We even told TCI what size tire we intended to use and they said it will work fine.

Joe G.
What size tire were you planning on running? 25.5" overall diameter isn't a problem at all if you stick with a 195/205. Anything wider and you'll want to stick with a 24-24.5" overall diameter. That is providing the lower control arms are parallel to the ground.

This car has a 235/40/17 on it(24.45" overall diameter, 9.57" overall width).



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When I mocked up the front end with the headlight bar, it really tightened things up, in spite of the braces being cut. Years ago (way back when there were very few front suspensions available for the '32) I put a Corvair front suspension under the '32. Used a front mount rack 'n pinion with shortened Eelco arms and changed the coils (shortened) to that from a Bobcat (car). The braces cleared and the suspension worked well. With that in mind, I wonder why TCI didn't widen the stance of the suspension, to clear the braces, and then compensate by using smaller A arms? In other words, copy GM's Corvair specs. They do all kinds of things with the Mustang suspension, why would this be any different? A further note; if one still had the stock frame and used a Heidts front suspension, would the same result occur? Just curious.
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