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Terrible headlamps

Been driving my 34 for quite a while now and have recently done some night driving. I am not pleased with my headlamps at all. They are plenty bright, as I have them on relays. The problem is they have terrible projection. I am using 7" Queen Bee halogen headlamps. The lenses on these lamps are the absolute pits. Does anyone have any suggestions for a 7" halogen lamps that has a nice projection on the beam?


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Not familiar with queen bee. Can you interchange the inner bulb? (like the new stuff) If so, are you using an H4 bulb?
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Yes the inner bulb is replaceable, but it's already an H4. Like I said the lamps are plenty bright, the light is just not reaching out there very far. Sorry, King Bee, not Queen Bee . They actually are Maxtel lenses. I have been looking at the Hella Vision Plus lenses, but would really like some opinions on those.

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Hmm, well the king bee 'looks' like a headlamp... Good looking light.

One time I used an H7 for the high beam (4 lamp system) in an on/offroad truck I have. After fastening the H7 in, it had NO focus within the lens. Come to find out the bulb's filament was not in the right spot within the lens housing. No projection. I unfastened the bulb while on, and moved it out a little, then in a little. I noticed the beam got much better. Once I found roughly where they needed to be (about an eighth inch out) I made some shims for it out of steel. Kinda redneck, but it worked.

I was thinking the king bee may be a 'fog lamp'. But if they're the repro's that house the H4 then probably not.
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Hmm, well the king bee 'looks' like a headlamp... Good looking light. I was thinking the king bee may be a 'fog lamp'. But if they're the repro's that house the H4 then probably not.
Yep the 34 originally had large headlamps, 10" I think. They would have looked rather ridiculous on a 34 street rod I think. I have been looking at some Hella Vision Plus H4 7" headlamps, but cannot seem to find a real clear picture straight on. The pictures I'm finding the lens pattern looks a lot like what I have now, and at $32 each I'm a little hesitant to order them just yet.

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speedway is selling universal 7" HID kit with retrofit projector housings that fit behind the original lenses, so there completly legal and won't blind anyone.. 5000k would maintain a bright white where as if you went higher, it would get bluer and bluer
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If they are really 7" I would use Cibie replacement headlamps ,they replace sealed beams [check theirweb site] I have had a pair on my 66 Vette for years and they are wonderful., bright and the glass is cut to give a great pattern. If what you have are larger look at what Bob Drake has to offer. I have a set of his 9' on my 32 and they are great.
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Thanks Henry, the Cibie headlamps look like what I need. Now I just need to decide if I want it bad enough to spend $75.00 each.

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I'd buy the Cibies for sure, but I'd make sure they're the European ("E-code") versions that aren't sealed-beams. I've had a set of Cibie Z-Beams on my Nova since 1980 or so, and they are far superior to anything made in the USA that I know of. The low-beam pattern is totally devoid of holes, and has a sharp cut-off at the top that kicks up slightly on the right side, the better to see critters or kids on the side of the road without blinding oncoming drivers. They're not legal for replacing sealed-beam lights in a car, but I've only once had to put the old bulbs back in to get my yearly inspection sticker.

I don't think they make the Z's any more, but if the newer Cibie units are anything like mine, you'll like them a lot. They use standard H-4/9003/HB2 bulbs, available at parts stores and most any Wal~Mart.

For lots of good lighting info, including why not to use fancy blue light bulbs, visit www.danielsternlighting.com . He's happy to answer questions by email, and his prices are quite reasonable.
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Vince - here's an article that I ran across a while back. My King Bees came with cheapo H-4 bulbs from that country we love to bash and were terrible even in the garage, so I changed to the mid range Sylvania's (not the Silver Stars - they don't last) and are extremely bright and seem to have a decent pattern



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Jinfulco: the Cibie lamps I'm looking at do use an H$ replaceable bulb.

Dave: My King Bee's came with H4 bulbs made in Germany.

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head lights, want a great set have a wag at these. Hella is the brand .. the best, real glass, optically cut lens. Just what you are looking for ...

They have been around and doing driving lights longer then some the posters..

I will give ya this, it is a challenge to drive at night with these cars, the flat glass sure does add to that pleasure ...
keeps one on their toes ..

http://www.autobahnpower.com/product...lla+Headlights
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I have been cruising the different off road and road racing forums as of late seeking opinions of any sort on the best headlamp lenses. One thing that seems to be unanimous is Hella's are not highly regarded. Of course we are talking about $32 lenses compared to $75 lenses in the Cibie's.

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In my '76 Granada, I replaced my sealed beams with Rampage (part#: 5089925) 7" conversion headlights and GE NightHawk 9003 bulbs. So far I really can't complain when compared to the Sylvania H6024 XtraVision sealed beam bulbs. The next step is to use relays (as explained here ) to get the proper voltage to them.

Here's the manufactures description:

• Advanced multi surface reflector and clear Glass lens
• Produces 60% more luminous beam than conventional OEM sealed beam headlamps
• Durable die cast aluminum reflector for more reliable quality and improved beam output
• SAE/DOT approved for street legal use
• Uses replaceable H4, 12V street legal 55/60 watt bulbs, or off road bulbs
to 130 watts
• Easy install for all replacement factory 7 inch round or 200mm
rectangle headlamps
• Compatible with most factory harness and hardware for most street
applications (50/60w)
• Lighting upgrade for most factory sealed beam applications-autos, trucks,
SUV's, motorcycles, …..vintage vehicles and hot rods

I got them from JCWhitney when the were on sale. I was disappointed that they weren't made in the USA, but I was happy since they were made in Taiwan and at least not PRC.

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Hella OK, Cibie awesome.

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I have been cruising the different off road and road racing forums as of late seeking opinions of any sort on the best headlamp lenses. One thing that seems to be unanimous is Hella's are not highly regarded. Of course we are talking about $32 lenses compared to $75 lenses in the Cibie's.

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Vince - I have used several sets of Cibie lights over the years and really like them. I have used several different styles and was pleased with them all. The pattern is pretty neat - the prism is cut so that they put more light out on the right hand side than the left, so that you can run the light adjustment a bit higher without blinding the oncoming traffic. Seems gimmicky but it really works. Not so much if you lived in Australia!

I have a set of Hellas in my '55 right now. They are left overs from a previous daily driver that went down the road. I originally bought them because they have polycarbonate lenses (unbreakable) and were half the cost. I had quite a few of the glass Cibies get broken from rocks driving over Snoqualmie pass here in Washington state. The Hellas were / are OK, and a huge step up from stock. However, they are not nearly as good as the Cibies are. Classic case of you get what you pay for. Half the price, half the quality.

Bottom line is that they both work OK, but for a nice ride like yours I would personally use the Cibie lights. That's what I have for 2 or my cars and I love them. Good luck!
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