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Old 08-05-2006, 07:48 AM
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hi so i was pulling out my plugs and i noticed that the top of my fuel pump(i believe) was broken my understanding is they used to be glass its like a glass bell strapped to the pump on the side of the block can i just have about a gal of gas raised in a can or bucket with a hose out of it using the weight of the gas to pressurize the carb to test the engine?
If you do this be very careful, one backfire while trying to start could be a disaster, have a fire extenguisher close by and don't be leaning over the engine while attempting to start it. It may be wise to attempt to start it out doors. Backfire ignites gas in can or bucket, you were leaning over engine, hair and eyebrows go up in flame, you can't see the fire extenguisher, wait didn't have one, flame spreads to car and garage, if attached to house, you get the idea.

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If you do this be very careful, one backfire while trying to start could be a disaster, have a fire extenguisher close by and don't be leaning over the engine while attempting to start it. It may be wise to attempt to start it out doors. Backfire ignites gas in can or bucket, you were leaning over engine, hair and eyebrows go up in flame, you can't see the fire extenguisher, wait didn't have one, flame spreads to car and garage, if attached to house, you get the idea.

thanks for the advice it's already in the driveway so it will be out side ill barrow my dads extinguisher before starting it, or trying rather
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so heres an update the fuel pump part i need napa has to order in oh well but i turned it over and it sparked (so... oh yeah) and got a fan belt so now i just need to add oil, water, and batterie oh and gas and ill try to fire it up....oh ya and get a fire extenguisher we dont want fires ... well that'll be a few days away ill try to kee everyone posted(maybe i should start a journal?)
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Old 08-08-2006, 03:52 PM
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Way to go.....Keep us updated.
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if ya can get a marine Halon fire extinglusher, you will have no mess to clean up. my dad learned to appreciate them when we cought the engine and back partial backend of our boat on fire from priming the carb with gas, 1 backfire was all it took. but a couple seconds of the extinglusher, and it was out and no damage to the boat.
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Old 08-08-2006, 07:20 PM
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Doc here,

Were it I, I would do the following to try and resurrect an old engine..

Start with New plugs, New points&Condenser, New wires, new coil , new rotor and cap.

Replace all filters, Fuel, Oil, Air...And change the oil..

Replace any belts..

Replace ALL the vacuum lines..(cheap enough for a roll of the stuff)

If installed, Replace PCV, also clean out vented oil caps..

Spray the carb with A good Cleaner..Spray EXTERNAL mechanical Carb parts with WD 40..be sure it does not stick.

Since you suspect the tank is fouled, run a Hose (FUEL LINE only) from a Gerry can about 5 feet away from the engine bay..If the pump won't work, put the Gerry can on a ladder (Be sure it can not be knocked over , or spilled) OR use an external electrical pump for test.

Remove the thermostat and flush and back-flush the cooling system..(do the best you can , being as it is not running..) install a new thermostat and gasket..AND a new radiator cap..Fill with a 50/50 mix water/coolant.

Inspect everywhere for Rodent nesting/Feeding..They love wire harness material for this..be sure when you put the battery in..It won't catch fire!

Try and verify all the gauges work..If electric, just pull the sender wire with power on, it should peg one way or the other..this means at least the gauge works...If mechanical, not much you can do..maybe put the temp bourden tube in boiling water, and watch the gauge as it cools, and maybe air pressure (no more than 30 psi) on an oil sender..watch the needle..

Be sure the tank is plugged off good and (preferred , drained) , start your new fuel flow, with the AIR CLEANER on as well as header pipe, and fire extinguisher near by..Crank the engine...If it starts..monitor the engine gauges closely..for abnormal conditions..If any found..STOP! and troubleshoot..

after a brief run in , check the oil for water, or milky white condition..if found...think headgaskets..warped parts..If OK, you can run it in a little longer..and see if it is stable.

That's If I was doing it...your mileage may differ..

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is the damper bolt on the front of the engine you'ld use to crank the engine if the batteries dead?
It's interesting that you mention hand cranking the engine. I bought a '63 Sunbeam Alpine new and, as far as I know, it has the same engine (plus extra carburetion). On a couple of cold and wet Michigan mornings, I was forced to start it with the hand crank. It's hard to imagine that a car so "new" as a '63 still had provision for hand cranking, but it did!
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an update

Hi guys
alright i tryed it befor the last few responces(ive been busy an not on the net) ne way i did the gas can with a pin valve to the carburater when we turned it over it just puffed smoak then belched flame through the carb (my friend who had the extinguisher doused it in powder hehe) so my dad said "cool it made flame so, spark and mixes air and fuel engian moastly good" to paraphrase.
So i pulled the gas tank, i figured i'd get back to the engine later, and dumnped out about 4 cups of rust out the top and found 2 holes in it that had rusted through.... well back to work ill still work on changeing every think and replaceing the hoses...
oh by the way i opened the raidater and the inside was coated in oil so original death of the car may have been a blowen head gasket
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pour a little gas or shoot some hot start down the carb, then try it again. it will put gas directly in the engine, with the gas line to the carb, the needle valve may be stuck and not allowing much gas into the float resivore, not to mention any clogged external vents in the carb.
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