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Old 01-25-2002, 08:37 PM
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Hi everyone......has anyone out there ever experienced excessive crankshaft thrust bearing wear on your chevrolet SB or BB, and if so, how did you discover it....is there an engine sound associated with excessive thrust bearing wear....thanks.

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ive seen thrusts wear before... usually from a clutch that was adjusted wrong cant help ya much other than that
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[quote]...is there an engine sound associated with excessive thrust bearing wear....thanks.<hr></blockquote>

If thrust bearing is worn enough, the crank will actually move in the webs. A hard stop may produce a clunk and of course there will be movement with clutch useage.
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Sometimes ive heard a whining sound, almost like a humming...but no chiping or squeeling....hope this helps!
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Hey my names Tim im 19 years old and I had a 355 built for me and drove it for a summer and then my car burned down so i yanked the motor and tranny and put it into my next car, i was curious what a shift kit would do for me so i had a friend of my dads whos been doing trannys for over 35 years install it for me, and about 2 weeks after the install and no changes from the shift kit, my motor started making funny noises, so i stopped driving it and had a few ppl listen to it, no one could figure out what it was, so i pulled the motor again and stripped it down, only to find that the thrust washer was worn over one hundred thou, ive been told that it was caused by the tranny, something is pushing the crank from behind, my tranny guy is coming to inspect my tranny tomorrow, so if i find anything out ill let everyone know, thx for listening to my storey
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Hey my names Tim im 19 years old and I had a 355 built for me and drove it for a summer and then my car burned down so i yanked the motor and tranny and put it into my next car, i was curious what a shift kit would do for me so i had a friend of my dads whos been doing trannys for over 35 years install it for me, and about 2 weeks after the install and no changes from the shift kit, my motor started making funny noises, so i stopped driving it and had a few ppl listen to it, no one could figure out what it was, so i pulled the motor again and stripped it down, only to find that the thrust washer was worn over one hundred thou, ive been told that it was caused by the tranny, something is pushing the crank from behind, my tranny guy is coming to inspect my tranny tomorrow, so if i find anything out ill let everyone know, thx for listening to my storey
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Keep us posted as to the events unfolding.

You might also cut and paste your entry and start a new thread of your own for this. Just go to the top left of the ENGINE page and click on NEW THREAD
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Hey guys its Tim, my tranny guy took a look at my tranny and couldnt find any reason why something would be pushing on the end of my crank, and all bearing wear looks normal, he did discover that my forward gear clutches are toast, maybe thats what wore out my thrust some how? not too sure though, im getting new clutches installed on tuesday... my tranny is an automatic th350 with a 2500 rpm stall converter by the way... i hope my findings helps you guys fix your problems too
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Since the torque converter has about 3/16 inch of "float" between itself and the transmission, I don't know what would be pushing forward on the crankshaft unless the torque converter was not seated correctly into the pump.
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xntrik, my tranny guy also looked at my torque converter and said it was worn where it should be, but he also told me when i bolt my flywheel onto my motor to hold the torque converter up against it and see if the front part of the torque converter fits into the crankshaft part, im not sure what that does but im going to give it a shot and see what happens, thx for the reply, ill keep you posted
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xntrik, my tranny guy also looked at my torque converter and said it was worn where it should be, but he also told me when i bolt my flywheel onto my motor to hold the torque converter up against it and see if the front part of the torque converter fits into the crankshaft part, im not sure what that does but im going to give it a shot and see what happens, thx for the reply, ill keep you posted

The flex plates are not symetrical front to back, different offsets.
If a flexplate is installed wrong the torque converter might be pushing the crankshaft forward all the time. Just a thought. Or you might have an incorrect flexplate for your application. (Fords won't bolt on backwards)

What he is referring to is that the torque converter has a round centering piece maybe 1 1/2 inch in diameter and 1/2 inch high that fits into the crankshaft to center it.

I think that I would test fit the torque converter to the flex plate when off the engine, then fit the flexplate to the crankshaft. Make note of how far the "dowel" protrudes toward the crankshaft and see if it is enough.

Could be a wrong torque converter also.

You said in # 7 that your tranny guy came and looked at it..... He SHOULD know.
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Had a Chrysler 300 with a 4-speed -- started to make clunking noises with the clutch disengaged-
When I pulled the motor for a rebuild I found that the thrust surface of the bearing was completely gone. Crank counterweight was rubbing the block's webbing. That car was stolen from me 3 times. The third time I got it back it was just a shell.
Every 300 specific part on the car was gone-And absolutely no interior was left.
440 4-spd Chrysler>>>>>>Can you say SLEEPER???
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Hey guys i got my tranny back together, thanks xntrik for the helpful info, although i cannot put it to good use yet because my engine is on a stand right now but as soon as i have my heads and intake and everything back on, thatll be the first thing i do is check my flywheel and torque converter. wouldnt i have noticed from day one if i were using the wrong flex plate or torque converter? ive been running the same motor and tranny combo for about a summer and a half in 2 different cars and havent changed a thing, why all of a sudden? and if it were the wrong flex plate wouldnt i have problems with the starter engagement? i also know that when i bolt my torque converter to my flywheel i have to slide it ahead close to half an inch or so, is this too much or is it normal? i wish i had your brains xntrik, id probably have a minty drivetrain thx for the help again, ttyl
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If the trans is producing too much line pressure, the converter will push the crank forward, wearing the thrust bearing. If you have a large camshaft that lowers the manifold vacuum, it will cause hight torque convertor oil pressures. This will force the convertor forward. Also, check for a restriciton in the oil cooler. A restriction in the line or cooler itself can cause high pressures in the tranny, again causing the convertor to force the crank forward.

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machine shop tom, sounds like you know your stuff, i DO have a larger cam but my transmission doesnt have any vaccuum lines running to the manifold although there is a spot on the tranny for a vaccuum line which is blocked off, i was told my tranny is a "manual shift", i find this hard to believe because when i put it in drive it starts in 1 then goes to 2 and then 3?...should i run a vaccuum line once everythings in and see what happens? if so where does the vaccuum go on the manifold?. i also have an external tranny cooler and i dont run the fluid through the rad..should i be?, ill check for any kinks in the line and get out the airgun and give the cooler a shot and see what happens, thanks again, Tim.....PS i had an ATP shift kit installed about 2-3 weeks before my motor started making this funny noise, would this have caused the excessive tranny pressures or was this just a coincidence?

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hey guys its me again, my tranny guy sent me a link which is full of helpful info, its www.atra.com/crankshaft/ check it out, might answer some of your questions, its alot of reading but so much useful info....Tim
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