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Old 05-03-2013, 06:48 PM
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tie rod position

I have one more question about installing a rack and pinion on my S-10 frame. The Dodge Intrepid CTO rack will work and I can fab a bracket that will hook up to the stock tie rods in their stock location. One thing that would make it easier is if it is possible to swing the inner tie rods toward the front of the car, (and adjusting the length to keep them on the same parallel as stock) to make the bracket a more direct attatchment to the rack. Up and down will be the same as well as distance from inner tie rod to steering arm, the front to back would change a few inches. Doing this will make for a stronger bracket. I will go with the recommendations of the more knowledable group and your comments are much appreciated. Steve

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I sure would like some input on this. If not, thanks anyway. Steve
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Bump steer ?

Location and length can affect Bump steer and turn angle toe change. tack it in place and move the suspension up and down with a jack and see what hapens, It's easier to check if you remove the springs , clamp a rotor so it won't turn and attach laser pointers to each wheel. move things up and down and turn to see where things point. The question is how good was the original S 10 suspension design ? A friend of mine, Bruce Cambern, retired head of Ford Racing has redone the suspension a couple times I know of on his 427 cobra. the first time he got copies of Ford engineers proposals that shelby never used. The last time he used a new computer suspension design program and It must work. Check out the Utube of the 2009 optima , He won 3 events and one second , first place overall and they said he couldn't bring the Cobra Back. No one has beat his record times yet.
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A few inches is a lot...could we get a pic, shot from above (or below)?

You do have some wiggle room. Look at one of those Alston drag-car chassis where they use a Pinto rack but move it forward to sit in front of the crankshaft damper...the thing is way up there, but still good for dragstrip use.
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I have to ask why???? What are you gaining by putting an R&P on a gear box suspension design? Just wanting to know some back ground on this...
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Mark, I have a '39 Ford Fordor and have channelled it over an S-10 frame. The perimeter of the frame behind the suspension was modified to duplicate the original. I used an '07 5.3 in it and the power steering pump is in the way. Moved stock box over 2 1/4" and tilted it a little to clear. That was a LARGE can of worms! So I am where I am now.I can build a bracket to attach the CTO rack to the tie rods in their stock location or a less complicated bracket by swinging the tie rods to the front a little. When I started this MANY years ago, no money, hence the S-10 frame and 5" channel job. Stock frame long gone and do not really want to drop $9 grand on a nice roller since I am very close to working this out. I hope the anti-frame swap guys will bear with me. Steve
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Get some popsicle sticks, and mock it up on a piece of plywood with some pins so you can turn it. Keep all the lengths proportional, steering arms, tie rods, rack, ect. I think you will find the the steering arms are too long for it to work right with the tie rod in the stock position, the Ackerman angles will be wrong when you turn the wheels. You may have to play with it a bit to get it right.
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