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Old 04-15-2003, 04:55 AM
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Exclamation Tip of the day on oil additives that you need to read

Well I have had a lot of people ask me about oil additives and I didn’t really know any information so I did a lot of homework and found out that a lot of test have been done using various types of oil additives but the only people that were doing the test were the people affiliated with the products being tested so I don’t think you will find bad results from them

I found out that the federal trade commission {who are responsible for false advertisements like claiming that a product can do something it can’t} took action against the manufacturers of two popular oil additives companies that contain Teflon particles who claim the Teflon in these products coated all moving parts inside the engine, and the coating resulting in reduced wear and better gas mileage, guess who won?

DUPONT who has many brand names one being Teflon, But DUPONT could not support any of the claims made by the oil additives companies they also go to say that adding Teflon particles like in the oil additives could be detrimental to the engine.

Teflon manufactured by Dupont is used in a lot of applications some are non-sticking cookware, composites of aircraft engine hoses and in fiber form to weave into fire resistant clothing.

Teflon is a very stable plastic material. It’s inert to all solvents and chemicals except molten alkali metals and high temperature fluorine gas. It is capable of withstanding continuous exposure to temperatures of zero to where it begins to de-polymerize at or above 1,100 degrees f. also being non-flammable.

The problem with the Teflon not that it wouldn’t bond with the metals of your engine is that it also bonds with it self thus causing blockage of oil pumps ports and oil filters also thus causing more problems than its worth.

Other additives in the oil additives are zinc-d and it does reduce friction and some of the heat of your engine but it also bypasses and goes out your exhaust and is a big problem with your catalytic converters clogging them in a short time. Also large amounts of chlorine, what the chlorine does are still a mystery. What chlorine does to almost all metals is speed up the oxidation process causing corrosion.

Test performed by NASA’s research company the Lewis research company found no benefits to add the oil additives containing Teflon or PTFE showing no benefits to the bearings, pistons or crank but it did show that it did accumulate in inlets, blocking the flow of oil and depriving parts of oil. Also after the oil additives were added the iron contamination doubles.

Also a lot of manufacturing companies will void your factory warranty if the use of oil additives containing Teflon also known as PTFE is found in the product.

Also something else the only people recommending the use of oil additives are the manufactures of the products. Furthermore oil already has it own additives one being a detergents and solvents that also clean as well as lubricates.

Well I hope this helps some of you out I wish I would have known this three months ago 300 hundred miles after I added z-max I lost three out of six cylinders in my ride in addition I have 250 pages of more proof of why its not a oil additives are not the way.

I would like to thank NASA’s research company the Lewis Research Company and LARRY BELL for tech supports
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Thanks for the nice article! Very informative. Have you noticed how the auto industry follows the aircraft industry by using braded hose and saftey wiring bolts etc. Well, I never heard of an aircraft piston engine company recommending oil additives. Do you have any info on synthetic oils? Like, are we really missing the boat if we aren't using them or, if we just change our oil regularly, will that suffice? I'm a cheap guy and can't stand to spend extra money if I don't need too. One last thing, have you ever read that article from David Vizard about a gas additive the he very throughly researched and it, according to him, cut down cylinder bore wear to almost nothing after many thousands of miles. He discovered this additive worked time after time in several different engines. Thanks again
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2 words, molybdenum disulphide

if you are going to use an oil additive use one that works (e.g. see above)

Otherwise, fully syth oil shows about 100th of the wear that bog stock could-be-anything no name brand X mineral oil does, so just stop being cheap and buy decent oil and change it regularly.

You don't have to buy Mobil 1, there are several store branded fully synths that are almost as good. Here in the UK, Halfords store brand is actually just re-badged Esso fully synth (who are owned by ExxonMobil so it's the same thing), only it's nearly half the price of Mobil 1.

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well thank you for for responding to my tip. I think you would be safe if the compounds that make up the additives are not some that i have listed in the post i do have some info on lucas oil i found out and let me know if you would like to see more of these tips i have tons of them i think it going to turn out to be the tip of the week i am in much demand from other forum's i belong to fifteen spredding myself too thin well see if this might help you out too.

someone had ask about lucas oil in a email and from what i could find out was it was founded in 1989 by forrest lucas and his wife charlotte the company has very good reviews about all there products especially the power steering fluid additive.

but the transmission and oil additives will work well if the engine has no problems if it does have problems it will only mask the inevitable fact that you need to repair the engine and you are taking a chance on it but by that point what do you have to lose.

i have seen statements from some that say the trans additive caused the seals to swell and split causing more damage than they had before using the product.

then on the oil additives statements said that there was a improvement with the engines blow by and leaking but it had to be added every oil change to insure that it wouldnt get any worse.

on the fuel additives i found no certifide proof that it inproved or damaged the octain boost did find something interesting at this web site about it though go check it out <a href="http://eetd.lbl.gov/newsletter/nl5/mtbe.html" target="_blank">http://eetd.lbl.gov/newsletter/nl5/mtbe.html</a> then click on EETD Scientists Aid Research Efforts Leading to MTBE Ban

the company has done some great things and i do belive that it has some good products it also is a offical sponsor of the NHRA , IHBA {BOAT RACING} AND NASCAR so deside for yourself but by far it is better than the additives that i have mention in the post

thank you for the question and sorry it was so long winded
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Wow! oil additives are a rip off? I would have never guessed, thanks for the tip!

Is it OK to run an engine with water in the crankcase instead of oil? You know like they show on TV? I would really like to try this at home just to see if it works? Would PFTH help my engine run better if it was full of water instead of oil and gas?
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Great reading! really says alot. I wonder if any of that info is public on the net. If so is there a link to it? I know you said you have many pages but it would be easier for me to print out info from the internet than for you to try and send me tons of paperwork in the mail. You would not believe the amount of customers that have come into shops I work at with their bottle of 'miracle fix' oil additive on the front seat. I would love to have something to show them about these products other than the articles they read in these magazines which are obviously biased. Thanks again, Don.

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yes it is on the net the only problem is it is in bits and peaces and not very easy to access the oil additives companies dont want you to know this stuff but it is out there

i have another forum i put tips of the day in and i have 61 post in it for odd and end things i will put more in here if you guys want let me know and i dont mind doing the homework on it

and i am sorry i dont have a true hotrod like you guys but my truck is my hotrod for the mud glad you enjoyed the post and for the commits
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Hi All... Just a few words on the Lucas Oil Stuff. I use the oil stabilizer in everything I drive. I've got a '93 Jeep with 203,000 miles on it, uses no oil, doesn't make a sound it's not supposed to. I use it in the tranny and differentials in the recomended quantities. The fuel treatment seems to work well too. I never would've tried the stuff if I hadn't seen gallons of it at a friends farm. He farms several thousand acres and has used it since it came out. He said it's cut his tear-downs in half on his three tractors (each with several thousand hours on them.) If he's willing to put in a tractor worth almost two hundred grand, I have no problem putting it in my jeeps, Harley, or T Bucket. Just my Two Cents...
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I cant find where anyone asked about oil additives , if you read a few more page's there are at least 3 other post on the same thing.Like willies says here's one back in March.
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This is just one of your tip's again. This belong's in the Hotrodders Lounge or the DUMP. <img src="graemlins/spank.gif" border="0" alt="[spank]" /> <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[nono]" />

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