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hduff 08-01-2008 02:34 PM

Tire Black
 
I've seen a few threads about how to get a wide white-wall from a thin white-wall tire (grind off the black rubber or paint it with Rustoleum), but I want to go the other way, i.e. from a white-wall to a black wall tire.

I remember using a product called "Tire Black", and checked at the local auto parts stores and few have heard of it and no one knows how to get it.

On a whim, I stopped at the local Firestone store and _they_ have it as Tire Black, JDA#07001835, P/N 48-11-778-3. But they don't sell it at retail; it's for their own use. The manager was kind enough to give me a can gratis.

The manufacturer appears to be Firestone itself (BFS Retail & Commercial Operations, LLC) and is marked FOR PROFESSIONAL USE ONLY / NOT INTENDED FOR RETAIL SALE.

It's essentially carbon black and talc with ethyl acetate to dissolve the pigments, acetone and toluene as additional solvents and propane and butane for propellants.

Decades ago, I purchased it in pint cans made by DuPont rather than spray cans. Here's a link to a picture: http://tinyurl.com/68p847

Just to be clear, I'm not talking about the Meguirs/ArmorAll-like stuff you use to shine up tires. Tire Black is paint for tires. I know Harley Davidson makes a Tire Black paint, but it's a metal paint from what I see, right? It's not a tire paint.

Does anybody know of a retail source for Tire Black?

Thanks,
Hoyt

wildthing 08-01-2008 07:27 PM

i haven't seen that in along time we used that years ago too.

F&J 08-01-2008 08:51 PM

I have the exact qt can in the shop somewhere. I have not seen it at stores for years.

In the late 60s at a tire store that did it's own recapping, they had some stuff that was concentrated and mixed with gas :rolleyes: I don't recall the brand or even the container :(



I"ve heard the word "china black" as a very "coverall product", but have no clue if you could add it to something that would coat a tire.

hduff 08-01-2008 09:02 PM

Feelin' Old
 
Thanks, guys, for making me feel older than dirt.

"China Black" comes up as a mid-90's Muzak-ish band and as a type of Chinese tea (pretty good -- I've had it before).

but it also comes up as "lampblack", aka "carbon black", aka "soot"

I suppose I could make my own, but then I'd be required to cast my own engine blocks and forge my own cranks as well.

OK, I contacted DuPont and asked if they still make the stuff. I sent the link to the image of the can so they couldn't deny they ever made it. And I suspect that they used "No. 7" as a product line name because of this: http://tinyurl.com/5pjbr3

FOLLOW UP:
It seems the No.7 product family -- the formulas, not the name -- was sold to Cyclo Chemical Corp of Los Angeles ( a subsidiary of Baxter International Inc. (http://www.baxter.com) which also owns the Rally and Rain Dance brands that were formerly owned by Armor All. But there are some "No. 7" products that are actually manufactured by Tenneco Automotive (now Tenneco, Inc.) and the "No. 7" name was licensed by Tenneco from DuPont in 2004. (I got that info mostly from http://tinyurl.com/5jk5sd and http://tinyurl.com/6krx8t). FYI, Tenneco also makes the Clevite, Monroe, Walker, DynoMax, and Kinetic brands. However, it appears that Tenneco only produces products using DuPont Teflon(tm), so "No. 7 Tire Black" is still MIA.

I also contacted Baxter/Cyclo and asked about "Tire Black".

Here's some more stuff:

http://www.rangerpaint.com/
Tire paint in purple, pink, red, green, orange and white. But no BLACK.
from the site, it looks like the product is based on the rubberized paint used for marking traffic lanes.

Duplicolors HotTires
http://www.duplicolor.com/products/hottires.html
White, red and yellow paint pens for tires. But no BLACK.

AAA Tire Finishing Equipment and Supplies
9213 Melrose Ln.
New Orleans LA 70123
(504)738-3405

The number is disconnected and there is no current listing for them in the New Orleans area. I just included it in the interest of being thorough. Nothing comes up under a search for "tire finishing supplies".

I'll also check with some local used tire dealers on Monday. They probably use something similar to "Tire Black" to pimp out their used tires.

Jagman06 08-02-2008 08:35 PM

In the late 60's we had some around a shop and used gasoline to thin it out, worked fine, would probably get an EPA fine today.

gp9739 08-10-2008 08:21 PM

I went through this a couple months ago when I wanted to black out the raised white letters from some BFG T/A's. I tried a black permanent marker but it dried a dark brown. A second application didn't help. I used Kiwi black leather shoe dye and it worked great. Can't tell the raised letters were ever white (or dark brown).

Centerline 08-10-2008 09:31 PM

I've been told that Eastwood's rubberized undercoating (the brush on variety, not the aerosol can stuff) works well too. I'll be blacking out the raised white letters on the rear tires for my deuce in a little while and its nice to know about the shoe dye. It's a lot cheaper than the Eastwood stuff.

gp9739 08-10-2008 09:41 PM

And you can buy it in the super market.

texastomeh 08-11-2008 10:18 AM

gp9739,

...and Wally Mart!

I also tried some of the KIWI Black Leather Dye to "spiffup" some rubber hoses (Pleeees do not flame me for for not replacing unsafe/cracked/stiff/brittle hoses! That was NOT the case). The Dye worked GREAT.

texastomeh

texastomeh 08-11-2008 09:13 PM

I just remembered another incident involving "blackening" tires:

In the movie "The World's Fastest Indian" (a true story about Bert Monro and his Indian motorcycle Bonneville speed record), he uses black paste shoe polish on the sidewalls of his tires to fill and hide the age cracks. :drunk: :sweat: :drunk:

It is a GREAT movie. Anthony Hopkins plays Bert. If you have never seen it, rent it on DVD. :thumbup: :thumbup:

texastomeh

fireboat 08-12-2008 11:17 AM

hduff, it seems it might be worth a try to contact ranger. I'm sure at one time they made black.

sdw4653 11-15-2012 12:05 PM

Tire Black
 
Thanks for all the helpful info. I used Tire Black in the 60's, 70's and 80's.
I have been unable to find it for years. Will try the Kiwi Black Leather Dye.
I live in New Mexico and our sun dulls everything rubber very quickly. I have used some of the spray on products but the sheen only lasts a few weeks and seems to attract dust. Tire Black would last for six months or more. Thanks again. Steve

novafreek6872 11-15-2012 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by texastomeh (Post 1005935)
I just remembered another incident involving "blackening" tires:

In the movie "The World's Fastest Indian" (a true story about Bert Monro and his Indian motorcycle Bonneville speed record), he uses black paste shoe polish on the sidewalls of his tires to fill and hide the age cracks. :drunk: :sweat: :drunk:

It is a GREAT movie. Anthony Hopkins plays Bert. If you have never seen it, rent it on DVD. :thumbup: :thumbup:

texastomeh

LOVE that movie!!! :thumbup:

fireboat 11-16-2012 06:38 PM

I have read that this stuff works great but I have never used it. It is sold by the quart or gallon.

It is black tire paint sold by M.E. Miller which sells tractor tires among other things. Lots of people restore tractors so I guess they have a demand for it. It is described as a water based stain and will completely cover whitewalls.
Here is the link;

Tire Supplies - m. e. MILLER tire

Also saw this solvent based tire paint from All Tires Supply, sold by the gallon. It's a concentrate and can make up to 10 gallons lol.

http://www.alltiresupply.com/p-60-102.html

digger4871 03-06-2013 04:40 PM

hduff tire black
 
just saw an ad at amazon.com for tire black.


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