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Title for New '32 Ford in Florida

Hello,

I was just interested in how all of you in Florida are titleing you new reproduction cars?

I am not interested in purchasing a title from anyone in another state and fraudulently putting that VIN# on my chassis. I am also no intereted in Broadway Title, Titles Unlimited, or any of the other illegal title washing companys.

There has to be a method aside from the "kit car" legislation that requires it to meet '06 standards.

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Go to the Florida DMV site and fill out THIS form. Complete instructions on how to register and title your street rod can be found on their site.
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Centerline,

Have gone through this process yourself in Florida?
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I am also no intereted in Broadway Title, Titles Unlimited, or any of the other illegal title washing companys.
I believe Broadway Title and Titles Unlimited offer "Bonded" titles - which are completely legal in most states. And in those states where they are not accepted, they are not considered illegal - just not acceptable as proof of clear ownership. That's not to say you, personally, should go that route - but I don't believe it is accurate to call them "illegal" since those companies are totally above board and provide a legitimate service.

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I believe Broadway Title and Titles Unlimited offer "Bonded" titles - which are completely legal in most states. And in those states where they are not accepted, they are not considered illegal - just not acceptable as proof of clear ownership. That's not to say you, personally, should go that route - but I don't believe it is accurate to call them "illegal" since those companies are totally above board and provide a legitimate service.

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I wouldn't call them illegal either but the practice of going through third parties to obtain a title is at best "skirting" the spirit of the law. I also know there are several states that won't accept them, Ohio being one for sure.

To answer the question though.... No I have not gone through that process in Florida, although I did live there for over 25 years.

Each state has procedures for titling home built cars and although it can seem like just a huge pile of red tape and it may take a little time it usually works pretty well, unless of course you live in California where nothing connected with government seems to work very well.
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The issue at hand is that the new cars, for instance a Brookville bodied steel roadster on a new '32 chassis, have no VIN#.

Yes, if you have a car with an existing VIN, these title services MAY work in your state. It is well document by several authorities that many of these companies simply told customers to make up a VIN, and they would get them a title.
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What you get with a Brookville roadster body and with most fiberglass bodies is a certificate of manufacture. The state your in will assign a VIN number based on that. Jump through the various hoops they require and you will get a title........eventually. Now depending on what state your in and how they handle it your title may be for the current year, the year it most closely resembles, or whatever. Some states even have provisions for street rods.

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I am not interested in purchasing a title from anyone in another state and fraudulently putting that VIN# on my chassis.
Plus ... original correct 1932 Ford paperwork is expensive ...

I know of a case where a man bought a fiberglass bodied 32 Ford that had a original number attached to it ... and then when he was involved in a accident ... his insurance would NOT pay ... They claimed fraud on his part . SAD but true.

This is a touchy subject, the title process for reproduction cars. I have never had to do this myself ... but I know a good many folks resort to some types of fraud or skirting the laws to get their cars titled. Fortunately... my 32's were original 32 Fords with THE correct paperwork ... the only way I buy them ...



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Deuce is correct that titles and vins for rods can be a very delicate subject. While I would always recommend "going by the book" in whatever state you live in, that doesn't always work out well - often due to the incompetence/lack of training on the part of state authorities.

I recently went through such an experience getting my rat roadster titled in WI. For starters, I have prior experience getting a rod titled when I did it for my '32 pickup. But the rat had no VIN so I printed out and read ALL the regulations posted at the DMV web site regarding vins and titles. I went to both my local DMV office AND the state DMV headquarters office. And I went personally met with the state patrol officer assigned to my area for title related matters. In each place I got a different story of how I was supposed to proceed and in each place (if turns out) those stories were pure fabrication, not to mention absolutely wrong.

I finally ended up talking on the phone for an hour with a member of the legislative committee that WROTE the regulations. Once I knew with absolute certainty that I was correct in my interpretation of the regs and I was able use the clout of my legislative committee member, I was able to muscle my title work through. But not without a huge run in with the state patrol officer who tried to assert his authority and personal opinion into matters that the state law specifically forbids. (Word of advice here - state troopers do NOT like to have their authority challenged.)

This is why I've asked Jon if we can develop a section of the Knowledge Base here at HR.Com to devote to a state by state run down, with good documentation, to assist rodders through the process and to equip them with the regulations to stand up to the incompetence/ignorance of state bureaucrats. As noted earlier in this thread, most states have pretty good regulations (you folks in CA can pretty well disregard that statement) which allow rodders to get their cars on the road safely and legally. The problem seems to be that we are in a very small minority and our title and vin work is so rare that states don't train their personnel for handling our situations when we come in off the street. As a result, the process has gotten a well deserved reputation for being arbitrary, unfair and difficult - and people must resort to using "dead" titles and other means to skirt the incompetence.

Hopefully the coming addition to the Knowledge Base will help remedy a few of those problems.
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Fortunately... my 32's were original 32 Fords with THE correct paperwork ... the only way I buy them ... [/I]




Deuce,

Your cars are really nice. However since they only made 14,000 of the ones on the right, and 22,000 of the ones on the left, I am forced to go with a Brookville body on my new roadster.
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However since they only made 14,000 of the ones on the right, and 22,000 of the ones on the left, I am forced to go with a Brookville body on my new roadster.
Well ... I ONLY have one of each ... so that means 13,999 Roadsters left and 21,999 3W's

I understand the dilemma ... and I bought the Roadster in the 70's and the chased the 3W for 10 years before I got it ...

IF ... I was doing a steel reproduction Brookville body, and NOT a fiberglass one ... I think would be less concerned about using a original vehicle number and title ... I am not advocating anything dishonest but ... it could be more of a re body process than a recreation ...
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Per cboy's recommendation, I've set up a central resource to address this common question.

In this situation, I think that a "wiki" page will work best. A wiki is similar to a bulletin board discussion. However, on a wiki, everyone edits the same page.

The wiki page is here: How to Title a Hot Rod.

Please feel free to edit the page and add any information pertaining to titling or registering vehicles in any US state or other country. Just click one of the "edit" links, or the "edit" tab at the top of the page.

You can also practice editing the wiki on this Wiki Practice Page.

For more information on editing the wiki, see this page: Wiki Editing Help
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The issue at hand is that the new cars, for instance a Brookville bodied steel roadster on a new '32 chassis, have no VIN#.

Yes, if you have a car with an existing VIN, these title services MAY work in your state. It is well document by several authorities that many of these companies simply told customers to make up a VIN, and they would get them a title.

Here's a technical issue we deal with.

Let say an original 32 car got wrecked several times and replacement parts were added. Then it got custom interior and street rodded.
Then it got totalled and needed a new frame (aftermarket) and got rebuilt again.

NO original parts remain on the 32, NONE, but it is still the 32, isn't it?

If you apply an original title to a "kit" assembled all new 32, is the car really any different than the original one in my example?????? Neither one has any original 32 parts.

Just my thoughts.......


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