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Old 09-04-2008, 02:31 PM
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The prices I checked in ebay were higher than the Snap On man(with a 50% discount) I had bought them on ebay I would to pay shipping, I will pick the tools at the college I am going, as long as I am in school, there is 50% discount

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Old 09-04-2008, 02:33 PM
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I dont like Macto ratchets, once in high school one 1/2 drive was stuck, the teacher had replaced, and the Snap On had better feeling, If you live in chicago, were would buy tools(pawn shops)
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My son went through this about 7 years ago. He got the one time offers of 50% off list from the tool trucks. He got the biggest top/bottom tool boxes 'we' could afford since it was a one time deal. Paid about $4K for 8K worth of boxes. On the tool side we went the Craftsman route to start but Mac/Matco/Snapon was the way to go. Paid about $3K for $6K worth of tools.
Impact universal sockets, metric, US, 1/4, 3/8, 1/2
All kinds/sizes of ratchets, extensions, etc.
Open end, box wrenches of all sizes
Various BIG, small prybars
Good fluke meter
taps/dies metric/us
3/8 battery powered impact gun
top of the line Ingersol Rand 1/4, 3/8, 1/2 impact guns
Top of the line makita 3/8 battery impact. (son said after dragging an air hose around all day it got real tiring)
Crows foot wrenches metric/us
Flare wrenches metric/us

He liked the tool trucks because even though they had high prices, he didn't have to drive somewhere, and waste time, and argue about a tool that broke. the tool trucks financed everything too. Socked it to you interest wise though.

I think the 1st 2 years my son was a Toyota mechanic he spent another $500 a month on the tool trucks. His rationale was the tools saved him time and time was money. Believe me, he made GOOD money. No longer a mechanic though. Go figure. Got paid book time and did the job in 1/2 the time. He also learned to either turn down crap work or negotiate the hours up to do them.

Replacing a complete wiring harness can make the best of them weep. Some work was interesting/challenging too, like replace a frame on a vehicle. Two guys, two days, two lifts side by side and up front negotiated hours.

The only thing Harbor Freight tools are good for is a wrench you need to cut/weld/grind on to get it into a special place one time because that is about all the time they are going to last anyway.
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Old 09-04-2008, 07:48 PM
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The other thing about snap on sockets is sometimes the shape allows them to get in some places that a craftsman wont. Ran into that this morning at work, was using craftsman socket to pull a valve cover on an engine on a welder on a guys service truck, couldnt get to one cause of a close bracket, the snap on socket fit down there and saved me tons of aggrivation.
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He liked the tool trucks because even though they had high prices, he didn't have to drive somewhere, and waste time, and argue about a tool that broke.


Again the warranty don't mean squat when the tool fails on the job or ruins a part and a broken tool will usually cost you far more than the replacement costs. The fact is most tools except the super cheap junk has a decent warranty but that warranty will not pay you for lost time, it will not pay you for ruined fasteners they failed to remove and it will not pay for the frustration that goes with these failures. Fellows don't buy a tool that is easy to replace if it breaks buy a tool that is NOT LIKELY TO BREAK IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!
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Old 09-05-2008, 02:19 AM
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I mostly have Craftsman tools but I just work on my stuff around the house now if you going to work everyday in a shop buy Snap-On tools S-K tools they are good as well pay now or pay later is what I say. Don't share your tools with no-one in time you will forget what tools you lent out and there goes another tool sounds mean but it cost you money not them PLUS you make your bread & butter with them.
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Old 09-05-2008, 05:32 AM
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Nutcase.....Craftsman tools will last if taken care of. You just can't put a standard socket on an impact and expect it not to break. Snap-On will last a lot longer and is the Cadillac of tools, but along with that comes a hefty price. While in school, shop around and get what you can afford and don't go in debt so far that you can't get your head above water. Check Craigslist in your area for tools. I see used S.O. boxes, Matco, Macs, all the time along with the same brand of tools. Buy used S.O. and replace if faulty. Your only 18, s don't expect to have the same expensive setup as a person that has been in the business for the last 25 years. He started out with cheaper tools and worked his way up as he could afford it. And also remember that after you get out of school, does not guarantee that you will have a job to make the monthly payments on a $7000 S.O. box and $10,000.00 worth of tools.
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Craftsman tools may last OK and they do have a really good warranty with replacement as close as any Sears but just as in the case of that Ranger transmission they do not have to break to cause big problems. Craftsman sockets are notorious for rounding fasteners, the 6 point break too easy and the 12 point simply slip. Same thing with the box end wrenches they tend to cam off of a fastener and, like the sockets, the 12 point corner contact will tend to round off the corners of a bolt head or nut. The flank drive and better fit of the pro tools like Snap-On (S&K is good in this respect also) will grip and remove fasteners that Craftsman will ruin and a ruined bolt head or nut can cost you big time! Another good example is Allen and Torx wrenches, the Craftsman are a joke when compared to the Snap-On and other pro tools but it is no joking matter when those Allen wenches round out the fastener and leave you stuck. When working professionally a wrench or socket that slips can easily cost you far more than the difference in price between the average tool and the good stuff. My welding and mine repair shop was a small operation and over the years I had a lot of guys just starting out who because of the cost would try to get by with cheaper hand tools, the Craftsman were the most popular. This was a tough environment so the difference in tool quality would become apparent to them immediately and because part of their pay was commission they learned real fast that the cheaper stuff was no bargain no matter how good the warranty. That fellow who tried to remove that Ranger transmission lost a day's work and a customer because his tools failed him and the solution to his problem was simply a Snap-On ratchet/extension and an old S&K socket, the old socket was used because I had to hammer it onto that distorted bolt head but it removed it where the cheaper socket would not. That is the kind of thing that makes Snap-On and the other pro tools a necessity when using them to earn your living, it is not how easily they can be replaced it is whether or not they will do the job!
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how do (proto) brand tools rate??????
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how do (proto) brand tools rate??????
proto is top of the line. you won't be disappointed.
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how do (proto) brand tools rate??????

Let's see, great, top notch and excellent are words that come to mind.

Proto is really good they are just not as fancy as some.
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Old 09-09-2008, 04:46 PM
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Proto are excellent tools, but nearly as spendy as snap on. Westward make good tools, their pro line is reliable enough to make a living with, especially as a starter set. I agree with oldred, buy the best you can! Not only save time, but your hands will thank you!!
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Old 09-10-2008, 12:50 PM
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Of these torque wrenches which one would recommend. The prices are with a discount
They are Snap On

BRUTUS3R250D $133.38 http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?se...-store&tool=all

QD1R200 $90.48 http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?se...-store&tool=all

QD1R50 $90.48 http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?se...-store&tool=all

QD1RN25 $94.77 http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?se...-store&tool=all

QD2FR75$95.94 http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?se...-store&tool=all

QD2R100 $95.54 http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?se...-store&tool=all

QD2R1000$95.54 http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?se...-store&tool=all

QD2R200$95.54 http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?se...-store&tool=all

QD2RN100 $95.54 http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?se...-store&tool=all

QD3250 $102.96 http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?se...-store&tool=all

QD3R150 $109.19 http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?se...-store&tool=all

QD3R250 $109.19 http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?se...-store&tool=all

QD3RN350 $109.19 http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?se...-store&tool=all

QT3R250 $132.58 http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/search.asp?...re=snapon-store

TA360 $34.55 http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?se...-store&tool=all

TQFR100B $91.92 http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?se...-store&tool=all

TQFR250E $111.14 http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?se...-store&tool=all

I need one for suspension and steering /

I might buy 3 torque wrench, but which one will cover all the toques for the cars
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Old 09-10-2008, 02:29 PM
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You will need one like the Brutus 250 ft/lb, also a 3/8" drive from 5 - 80-ish ft/lbs, and an in/lb 1/4" drive is nice, as well. That one doesn't need to be much over 120 in/lb, as the 5-80 3/8" drive will take over (120 in/lb = 10 ft/lb). As you progress, a dial type in/lb wrench comes in handy for setting pinion preload on differentials.
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Tools - buy the best you can but don't become a slave to the tool truck owner. I do understand that the tool box that you need a step ladder to get to the top is impressive, but you still need to pay the phone and electric bill and you really don't need all of those shiny expensive tools.

Torque wrenches - some of those you listed have settings in Newton Meters. That's great, but lb ft or a dual scale is better. You need 1/4. 3/8 and 1/2 inchers. Mine are a Snap-on and a couple of Wrights (which look identical to the Snap-ons)

As far as a Craftsman wrench, great for the occasional mechanical job, but yesterday I rounded an almost hidden 1/2" (3/4" wrench size) nut with a Sears open end wrench because I was too lazy to walk 75 feet to my tool box for my Snap-on(the box end wouldn't fit). There were just enough flats that my Snap-on was able to grip so I could finish removal.

Ratchets - I swear by my S-Ks. The ratchet teeth are a bit coarse, but I have only broken one 3/8" and never a 1/2" even with a cheater. I do have a couple of Sears - and the scars to prove it - which have been replaced several times. I detest the Snap-on ratchets - every one I ever owned quickly broke and the Snap-on guy would never replace them. Unfortunately, my 1/4" S-K was stolen so have a Snap-on, a couple of off brands and a several times replaced Sears.

Most of my sockets are MAC, S-K and Snap-on with some Sears. The Sears 1/4", in 6 point are fine - the 12 point - junk.

Of course, these are my opinions
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