torque tube? - Hot Rod Forum : Hotrodders Bulletin Board
Hotrodders.com -- Hot Rod Forum



Register FAQ Search Today's Posts Unanswered Posts Auto Escrow Insurance Auto Loans
Hot Rod Forum : Hotrodders Bulletin Board > Tech Help> Transmission - Rearend
User Name
Password
lost password?   |   register now

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 10-20-2012, 08:21 PM
59RAMBLERSUPERWAGON's Avatar
Its the right tool if it works
 

Last journal entry: Bondo oh no!
Last photo:
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Grants Pass, Oregon
Age: 37
Posts: 42
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
torque tube?

Can someone help me understand Torque tube technology?

    Advertisement
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 10-20-2012, 09:09 PM
Member
 
Last wiki edit: Ford axle ratio codes
Last journal entry: Rear Suspension
Last photo:
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Prattsville
Posts: 6,415
Wiki Edits: 31

Thanks: 2
Thanked 61 Times in 57 Posts
Torque tube - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

AMC/ Rambler kept it so long because it was cheap and provided a good ride.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 10-20-2012, 09:13 PM
Registered User
 
Last wiki edit: General Motors transmissions Last photo:
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: near Yellowstone park
Posts: 4,474
Wiki Edits: 27

Thanks: 13
Thanked 285 Times in 265 Posts
torque tube suspension

Model T fords used torque tubes as did Chevy until the 55. Fords changed in 49 to 2 springs and no more torque tubes. also buicks in the 50's were still using them. Advantage. minimum rear wheel hop. no axle pinion climb on acceleration, or drop on braking, Fords with a single cross spring allowed more movement of just the axle on rough roads, not of much bump to the chassis, the foreward push was thru the transmission and engine, loading the mounts. but minimum clutch chatter. disadvantages only one U joint and model T.s worked thru quite and angle, causing wear, and because of more weight ride not as good as newer designs. Back in the early 50's My 53 chevy 6 could beat the 50's Fords because of better traction, The Fords would have a lot of wheel hop off the line in a drag race.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 10-21-2012, 04:47 PM
59RAMBLERSUPERWAGON's Avatar
Its the right tool if it works
 

Last journal entry: Bondo oh no!
Last photo:
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Grants Pass, Oregon
Age: 37
Posts: 42
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
So would adding coil over shocks to stiffen the ride cause any ill effect to the torque tube system?

I am no small guy and this thing is really softly sprung. I will be taking my family and lugage on trips and well we are not a small family either, and my wife packs tons of crap on trips... so I was thinking coil over shocks, air shocks, stiffer springs, or somethin. but I still want everything to work togeather...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 10-21-2012, 06:30 PM
farna's Avatar
Member
 
Last wiki edit: AMC V-8s Last photo:
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Batesburg-Leesville, SC
Age: 53
Posts: 1,641
Wiki Edits: 14

Thanks: 0
Thanked 17 Times in 15 Posts
No, adding coil overs won't affect the torque tube system. The only problem you may have is that the upper shock mounts aren't made to support the full weight of the car. If you use air shocks or overload coil overs just keep an eye on the upper mounts. Too much weight will push the shock through the floor. That was a problem on Javelins in the 70s with kids putting on air shocks and jacking them up, but the mounts on your old Rambler are a bit stronger -- though they are still not designed to carry the weight of the car.

You might want to investigate air bags though. Not to replace the springs, but that fit INSIDE the original springs to stiffen ride or increase load capacity. Coil over shocks don't cost any less. See AirLift 1000 | Air Lift Company – Tow and Haul with Safety and Comfort.

You will have to call them, as there is no listing for Ramblers. They made them years back, and should have one that fits the spring. Ask to talk to someone in the technical department if you have to. Another option is their "Ride Control" product (RideControl | Air Lift Company – Tow and Haul with Safety and Comfort). You need something that would bolt to the top of the axle and the "frame" rail.

You can also roll your own, or simply replace the rear springs with air springs. You don't need a compressor or air tank unless you want to adjust the ride on the go. Simply install an air hose out to a manual air valve mounted somewhere you can get to it with an air hose. Put the same amount of air in each with a good gauge. You might need to put a little more in one than the other to level the car side to side, but it won't be much. The air spring (or more commonly called "air bag") isn't expensive -- the air compressor, tank, and controls are. You don't have to have them though!

Finally, consider just getting new springs. They will run about $200 a pair. As you noticed, it's softly sprung. All 50s and even early 60s cars are like that. There were few roads where sustained high speed (over 50 mph for more than an hour) travel was even possible at the time. Most roads were rougher and soft suspension was needed to absorb the bumps and jars. Everyone assumes roads were about the same! The Interstate system didn't start construction until 1959, and less than 50% was ready by the mid 60s.

Order springs from Coil Spring Specialties. On my early 60s Ramblers I order them 12-15% stiffer than stock. The stock HD springs were 20-25% stiffer. I find those a bit TOO stiff. The Coil Spring Specialties springs are progressive rate whereas the originals were not. Progressives are soft to start with and get stiffer as they compress... or rather the rate increases as they compress. There is little resistance at first, but it increases as needed. This gives a good ride and increases handling tremendously on these old cars! Order new springs 15% over stock all around and the car will handle and ride a lot better. People couldn't believe the change the stiffer progressive coils made in my 63 American (leafs in back, I stiffened them with bolt-on helper springs). The better coils in front helped more than adding a sway bar (which I did, but found there was really no need -- really didn't notice it being there).
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

Recent Transmission - Rearend posts with photos

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Hot Rod Forum : Hotrodders Bulletin Board forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name (usually not your first and last name), your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
torque tube issue wave1957 Transmission - Rearend 11 06-17-2010 12:16 PM
Torque Tube Suspension (sort Of) BillyShope Suspension - Brakes - Steering 1 12-18-2009 04:03 AM
Torque Tube Axle switch delazy Suspension - Brakes - Steering 8 03-28-2006 03:51 PM
What's a torque tube rear end? Nightfire Hotrodding Basics 7 02-21-2006 04:01 PM
early ford torque tube broaddua Transmission - Rearend 2 11-20-2002 06:57 AM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:00 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
Copyright Hotrodders.com 1999 - 2012. All Rights Reserved.