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Old 10-06-2005, 02:34 PM
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Toyota Driveline in my Chevy truck

Ok I might get beat up here ....but here goes. Has anyone put a Toyota engine and tranny in an old Chevy truck. I have a 1955 second series and have been thinking about this for a while now. With the price of gas going up my daily driver project is starting to look expensive on the fuel end. I have been thinking about a set up out of a toy truck. I would like to stick with a manual tranny and a carb engine. So any and all thought about this would be appreciated.
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Old 10-06-2005, 02:48 PM
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You could do it.......but why ? ?

It will be underpowered and not fuel efficient....IMHO

Toyotas are great little trucks and cars.......for fuel mileage and good service...but not for moving around a big old Chevy truck......the truck ( if stock ) has a 3.90 or 4.11 rear end......which would help the Toyota engine move the truck but .......
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Old 10-06-2005, 02:57 PM
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I think your weight to horsepower ratio would be way off. You would have to have your foot in it a lot more of the time and would see no gas savings as well as poor performance and a lot more load on the poor Toyota motor that it would be happy with. Nothing against Toyota! Iv'e got Toyota Van leaf springs along with a front sway bar from a Izuz 4 wheel drive on a 9" rear under my 53 Ford sedan.
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Heres the equivelency of what you want to do. My dad had an '02 Nissan Frontier and it was the SE 4wd, 3.3 V6, crew cab, was rated for 170 horse. This truck is about the size and weight of a half ton. Previously to this truck he had a '97 F150 4X4 with the 4.6 V8, and got around 17 MPG with it, the nissan got worse than that, it did 12-15 MPG. This is a great example of being underpowered.
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Heres the equivelency of what you want to do. My dad had an '02 Nissan Frontier and it was the SE 4wd, 3.3 V6, crew cab, was rated for 170 horse. This truck is about the size and weight of a half ton. Previously to this truck he had a '97 F150 4X4 with the 4.6 V8, and got around 17 MPG with it, the nissan got worse than that, it did 12-15 MPG. This is a great example of being underpowered.
ditto! i've owned & driven 2 nissans, a hardbody p/u 4 cyl. that got 23-24 mpg & now a v6 extera that gets 18 mpg (!) if i baby it. friends toyotas have been the same. the jap designed engines have to be revved up to get any power, no low end torque.
a 4.3 chevy v6 with factory throttle body fuel injection & an od trans. would probably do well in a 55-59 p/u.
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Old 10-06-2005, 07:42 PM
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Sounds like I will stick with my V8! I'll plan on putting a overdrive tranny in it and changing out the rear end.
Thanks for all the responses...and hey everyone was nice!
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Ha! "The Winnebago Lesson".
Obviously some folks still remember the first gas crunch.
The Winnebago lesson was learned then. Certain people were not about to let a gas crisis stop them from buying great big new motorhomes. But as a nod to the gas shortage thing they got them with smaller engines. For example the venerable Chevy 350. The actual result was abominable hill climbing power, BAD gas mileage, and a marked tendency for the engine to overheat and/or crap out completely. Some owners ditched these vehicles and some wised up. Either way they would toss the 350 engine and install the biggest engine they could lay hands on, say a 454. No more running hot and they even got better mileage. It's simple. The poor 350 had to work at maximum capacity almost all the time just the get the vehicle down the road at all. The bigger engine had more avaiable power to get going and climb hills. Plus when the vehicle was cruising, the bigger engine had to do no more than just loaf along. Big vehicles require a matching large engine for peak efficiency.
All that said, it's been a long time since I owned a Chevy straight six but I seem to remember getting pretty good fuel economy when they were well tuned even though I never had overdrive. Smooth running too. Hmmm?
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Old 10-11-2005, 12:14 AM
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six banger

And inliners.org has a bunch of info on those GM sixes..

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ditto! i've owned & driven 2 nissans, a hardbody p/u 4 cyl. that got 23-24 mpg & now a v6 extera that gets 18 mpg (!) if i baby it. friends toyotas have been the same. the jap designed engines have to be revved up to get any power, no low end torque.
a 4.3 chevy v6 with factory throttle body fuel injection & an od trans. would probably do well in a 55-59 p/u.
My dad bought the Frontier was because he had such good luck with a '93 4cyl 5spd 2wd he bought new. The truck got almost 30 MPG, and even tho it looked funny, he put a class 3 bumper on it so we could pull our 21' boat!! that we had at the time, it did that with no problem at all, shure it was aluminum and not fiberglass but it was a cabin cruiser ( '73 Starcraft Cheiftan Mark 4 ) that we used for fishing and it wasn't the lightest, and I'd be willing to bet it was pulling over twice the trucks weight limit, never had a problem with the truck.
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Fuel == power. How much do you have to haul around? How much work (that's weight, distance and time) does it have to do? For a given work load, engine efficiency and driveline efficiency have more effect on fuel mileage than engine size.

If I put a small engine in a big vehicle, that does not alter the laws of the universe. Work is still a relationship among weight, distance and time. An oversized engine will be hauling extra weight around forever just for moments when you demand extra acceleration (shortening the time factor). An undersized engine will be running at higher output than its most efficient level just doing the normal work of moving the vehicle. An engine properly matched to the work demanded of it will spend most of its time near its peak efficiency, where it produces the most (useable) power for the fuel it's gobbling.

You could put a lawn mower engine in a Winnebago and not have it any less reliable than one with a big V8, *if* the rest of the drive train is matched to the engine *and* the operator doesn't try to drive it like it had that big V8 in it. The problem is that you haven't shaved a significant amount of mass from the vehicle by using the lawn mower engine, so it's still going to take a lot of fuel to move it down the highway, but you have shaved off a significant amount of reserve power which will make significant changes in the amount of time it takes to accomplish extra work, such as drag racing or climbing that 1/4" per foot slope of your garage floor. Might be better to have the Briggs & Stratton powering a hydraulic motor so it can slow down enough to make it over the curb in a day or two.

Look at the difference between "city" and "highway" gas mileage estimates and you see what a wide range of power demands we place on vehicles. It doesn't take a lot of power to cruise but it takes a lot to do the daily stop-light drag races in the city. We insist on moving a massive vehicle from 0 to the speed limit in a hurry. We insist on lots of reserve power.
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I saw this thread and laughed a little because I have a Toyota truck which I've ditched the Tojo engine and dropped in a V8 (351C).

Seriously though, if you want to spend less on petrol, have you thought about an LPG conversion?
You can get LPG at most Service Stations in the US right?

Here it's about half the cost of petrol and some of the straight LPG systems that are available are making more power than straight petrol. A dual fuel set up will always be a compromise, but will be a lot cheaper than petrol alone.

The only thing is the initial cost of buying the LPG stuff for the car.
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