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Training for High Performance Engine Machinist and are there jobs?

Where do you get training to work as a high performance engine machinist?

What kind of colleges are out there?

What kind of jobs are out there?

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check for a wyotech in your area. Good luck.I hope you find a good place to learn.
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Where do you get training to work as a high performance engine machinist?

What kind of colleges are out there?

What kind of jobs are out there?
I went to school for some crap like that it was all a scam i could have gotten a job anywhere with just reading a few good books and practise.

Learn to change tires then you will be two steps ahead of most people that apply for those type jobs. Usally only given in person.

Start here this is a great source for performance math used by engineers since engines were invented. No secret knowledge just calculated all the variables and make it happen. A lot of people think this stuff is black magic or secret knowledge but really its simple math.

This guy makes it about as easy to understand as it can get.

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and the best and easiest way for a ypung guy to get on a raceteam is volenteer. Go tp ypur local track find the guy with the least money and least amount of ppl helping and jump in and offer to help carry tires or wipe dirt off the car. I have never been refused. Actually they usally work the hell out of ya. And most of those guys are great and love to share knowledge with someone willing to pitch in and meet them at the track early.

If your looking for an easier route then that well....... Late nights studing and early mornings giving up your weekends. Fyi pay is for sheeet! The only guy making any money is the guy with his name on the car everyone else is flat broke. "Pizza shake" or whoever will make a million off your race you wont make jack. You can make more money selling used cars.
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Where do you get training to work as a high performance engine machinist?

What kind of colleges are out there?

What kind of jobs are out there?

You tell us Paul, if you are the Paul Nelson an instructor in High Performance Engine Machinist program at a college in Minnesota
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"I went to school for some crap like that it was all a scam i could have gotten a job anywhere with just reading a few good books and practise. "

Been there..


I took all the "gearhead" classes at my small high school (my graduation was 67 students). Back then they at least tried to teach basic trades. Worked summers in the bus garage for grad points. Then went out of state to a tech school. Working in a Body/trim shop thru school. Bought some machines from a business estate auction. Continued to take Junior college classes in machining/welding. Took any evening classes/schools available. Joined several groups like Manufacturing Engineers. Was heavily involved in drag racing both as a racer and a director.

Hired in at a major corporation as prototype/repair and started a shop on the side, went on from there.. Only way to learn is to do the work. Luckily I have always been a quick study.

Jobs in the performance machining area are few and far between in Michigan.. Used to be many opportunities. Now most shops have to do maintainance work, trucks, tractors, restorations to survive. My local area has lost all but a couple of shops and they do little performance work. Basic reality. General public doesn't repair cars anymore. They just lease another one. For new generation hotrodders. It's more crate motors and kits for just about any popular combinations.

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there's not jobs, future, or money in high performance auto machining, but there are plenty of schools out there. Just realize that the cost will be about half of what it takes to get a mechanical engineering degree and license, which will provide much more job stability and likely better pay.
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Training for engine machinist

There are jobs out there for people with the skill to do the job, other wise if you do not apply your self in school trying to learn your craft, you will work as an IOCS for you career.
Skilled engine machinist get jobs and get paid well, not all colleges are costly, there are a few state colleges for a fraction of the cost of for profit colleges.




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I worked for a high end race engine shop for 15 years as a machinist. We did some engines for top NHRA Super Stock, Comp Eliminator and a few Pro Stock guys. We also did mostly circle track stuff for many of the top Southern All Stars series guys also. Your going to be disappointed if you think your going to make more than $12 or $13 bucks an hour. I left there and started doing CNC stuff and am making over twice what I did as an engine machinist, and have no top out on my wages. I wouldn't trade anything for the time I spent there, but you aren't going to make much doing it.
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You tell us Paul, if you are the Paul Nelson an instructor in High Performance Engine Machinist program at a college in Minnesota
It sounds like you are the machinist instructor at a college in Minnesota. I'm curious, are you asking to find out what people think about getting into the trade? Or are you trying to fill seats in the College?

If it's anything like the Auto Body trade in Canada (I can't speak for the US), I've seen classes cancelled because they don't have enough people getting into the trade to make it worth while.

Often the glamour of a career for people about to enter the work force sounds great and what these young minds are often thinking is "I'm going to be a machinist and make cars go fast and get on a NASCAR team" and so on, only to find out that before they make good money they need to be in the trade for a long time and in many cases be one of the best in the industry. I don't know if being a performance engine machinist is that way, that's why I'm asking.

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automotive career.

You see a lot of ads on the TV for the private Schools, and a lot of hype. not many real jobs out there that they make the kids think they will get when they get their Graduation Certificate. I Got a BS in Engineering, Automotive manufacturing concentration. Worked 15 years for Ford, Then Taught Automotive Engine classes for a few years at a Junior college, The state colleges divided up the programs, Only one College had High performance classes the students could take after completing the regular program. And back in the 80's there were only jobs in H/P, precision work for about 5 % of the grads that completed the additional classes. The private schools charged about 2 to 3 times as much as a state junior college program. The 2 state colleges I knew about with high performance classes were De Anza in Northern California and UVU in Utah. The UVU students do run a bonneville car. De Anza had a drag car.
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The question was asked of me if I am the Paul Nelson that teaches in the High Performance Engine Machinist Program at Northwest Technical College in Bemidji, I am.
I was asked if I was on line to get students or to help the industry?
YES. . . .
Each year I have students jobs that go un filled and I recruit for my program to help fill the need the industry has for trained employees. We are a state college so funds are always at risk, the only way to continue to improve the program is to increase students.
Over the last ten years we have introduced over $500,000 worth of new equipment.
We just got a new superflow 750 and we just ordered an updated Sunnen line hone machine. If people only knew what we had to offer the engine machinist industry. My students will go to work for $12 to $15 per hour to start, with jobs all over the nation.
Is it enough? No, you can drive truck for UPS but want do you want to be doing when you are 40?
When my students get a job in a performance engine shop we call that living the dream.
My current students and my future students is why I do what I do.
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Where do you get training to work as a high performance engine machinist?

Jesters Answer: An accredited good community collage or an accredited state university thats credits will be accepted and trasferable to other collages and a job in the field starting at the bottom with on the job training or find a good apprenticeship program!

What kind of colleges are out there?

Jesters Answer: Among the ones I stated in the last answer, there are a bunch of rip offs that promise quick results and great training but don't teach Sh t! I hired those grads from the quicky short cut trade collages and let them go because of the poor training. And their know it all attitude and a diploma that doesn't mean a thing except they spent good money to learn nothing to put them in the work force and for an employer to be able to depend on their ability to build and blue print a custom race engine chassis and running gear on their own without having to baby sit them and go back over what they did!!!!

What kind of jobs are out there?[/quote]

Jesters answer: Good jobs to the well trained well rounded mechanic or teck that spent years in classes and or on the job learning or even a guy who learned on his own or with pears who he could absorb knowledge from, that read teck books and maybe ran a car that he built himself that looks for a job that he isn't too proud to start at the bottom and wants to learn more!!!! Seems like these guys out of these quick trade schools with that diploma in hand think they should start at the top!!!! They don't even know their own short comings and know it all!!!! The guys that really do good from these quicky schools already had good knowledge and mechanical ability before they even unrolled. 2 years of class room with brakes and end of semester vacations is no where near enough credit hrs to have anything but basic information on enough subjects to even be a helper in a real shop unless specializing in one field of study like engines & motors diesel, LP, gas, alcohol, marine, aircraft, turbine,hydrolics, pneumatics, forced induction, electrical carb tuneing and injection or let alone automotive machining and welding that these schools say they teach a student a good background to get a high paying job in the automotive field. I think your on here to drum up additions to get higher enrollments or your love for the field would have you answering a few questions on these threads before you jumped in with this dumb question!!!! I never heard of a good collage coming on a site or thread to drum up business! Put your speal in the adds on this site and don't take up room in these threads If you do teach at a good school you sure cheapened its credibility in my eyes!!!!! Your post count is "0" since January when you joined!!!! 6 months


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Chris your post reminds me of when I graduated high school,I had the highest mark in the school in the automotive classes.I got a reward and was really impressed with my achievements.
I got a job in a decent repair shop and was going to be their next great thing.I wasnt in the shop even a full day when I realized I wasnt even qualified to empty the trash cans there.One of the mechanics liked me even though I was a little cocky.He took some time and taught me alot of good things over the next 8 years.
Now after a few years out of the business(changed careers)and getting back into a shop part time,I now really know how little I know.
Great post Chris!
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I see this is an old thread and he left a long time ago LOL If I could see the date I wouldn't have wasted my time

I was looking at today's posts and didn't notice it was an old thread someone posted on! My eyes are giving me a lot of trouble I have a torn retina and was at the doctors today and now found out I have cataracts LOL Man its hell getting old you get these little surprises sprung on ya LOL

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Actually Chris....This thread is a case of the original poster coming back to update his thread, which I think didnt get the response he wanted.......and with your post, he will be even less happy.

It seems to me that he is also pushing his school on our members, advertising without the obvious links if you will.....
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