[61bone]

I'm going to leave this for someone else.

I did my best to roll a 65 110 including running it up a ramp and then turning into it. It just swapped ends. It ranked right up there with the flatfootedest car I ever drove. If my vettes had handled as well as the vair did I would probably still own one. Don't have a vair cause my wife hated it. Happy wife, happy life.

[jetnow1]

rear anti sway bar?

[redsdad]

In 64 they added a transverse leaf spring in an attempt to control the wheel tilt under during cornering. In 65 they dropped the swing arm suspension and went to a full independent suspension similar to the Corvette's. That is why your 65 handled so well 61 bone. If it had been a 60 - 63 (maybe even a 64), you may not be here to tell about it.

[Irelands child]

Originally Posted by redsdad

In 64 they added a transverse leaf spring in an attempt to control the wheel tilt under during cornering. In 65 they dropped the swing arm suspension and went to a full independent suspension similar to the Corvette's. That is why your 65 handled so well 61 bone. If it had been a 60 - 63 (maybe even a 64), you may not be here to tell about it.

AHA - Another voice heard from!!!!

You're it now

(Just for clarification, GM called it 'camber compensation' in 1964 and did the full swing arm set up in '65 on. If they had installed that system in 1960, just think where Ralph Nader wouldn't have gotten too)

[61bone]

The biggest factor in the early suspensions was the tire pressures weren't the same front and rear. The rears ran ,as I remember, 31 and the fronts 20. If the fronts were pumped to the same as the rear, it would induce the oversteer that was the problem. Most people just can't handle oversteer and most of the people that bought Corvairs that I knew were at best marginal drivers to begin with. In that era, there were some very sucessful racers that ran swingarm suspensions as did the VW and they were't attacked as unsafe so I would say that there is some other element that was in play.

[redsdad]

Late 60's Chrysler products (I know this will work on a 69 Roadrunner if you want to be specific). How do you get the stock radio to play without a key?

[MARTINSR]

I am dying to hear about this one. I called my brother who has specialized in wiring for years and re-wired many 60's Chryslers and he said he knows of nothing, or at least can't remember.


Brian

[Dave57210]

If I recall from my buddy's '69 Super Bee - if you pushed in the cig lighter, the radio came on, even with no key in ignition - unless his car just just "terminally weird". It was a LONG time ago (in '69), and I may be mis-remembering

[redsdad]

Originally Posted by Dave57210

If I recall from my buddy's '69 Super Bee - if you pushed in the cig lighter, the radio came on, even with no key in ignition - unless his car just just "terminally weird". It was a LONG time ago (in '69), and I may be mis-remembering

Don't think that would do it. Not what I am looking for. But you are on the right track. Just a little bit more complicated.

[Joe G]

Turn on the turn signal and step on the brake.

[61bone]

That gets you rearended cause it confuses people.

[Dave57210]

OK- now I'm just guessing - but I'm thinking it would have something to do with the the 4-way flashers (which work sans the ignition), plus maybe step on brake pedal (also does not need ignition on), or (like I used to do with my '67 Cougar) 4-ways plus turn signal (which resulted in the tail lites doing the sequencing on both sides at once on the 'cat). has to be a circuit that is designed to operate sans the key, and results in other stuff now becoming "live", even with ignition off.

Only stuff I can think of that operates sans a key are the 4-ways, the lighter (on some cars) the interior lites, head lites and brake lites. Now to puzzle out what shares a semi-common circuit with radio, and the 4-ways have to be the significant part as they work with the turn signals which would only operate with the key on!

[redsdad]

Joe G gets honorable mention. But Dave57210 had all the components.

The 4 ways back feed through the turn signal switch when it is turned to either left or right. This back feeds power into the accessory circuit, but only intermittently due to the flasher. The brake light circuit overrides the flasher, giving continuous voltage into the accessory circuit. Turn the radio on and you have tunes.

Dave, the floor is yours.

[dinger]

Originally Posted by redsdad

Joe G gets honorable mention. But Dave57210 had all the components.

The 4 ways back feed through the turn signal switch when it is turned to either left or right. This back feeds power into the accessory circuit, but only intermittently due to the flasher. The brake light circuit overrides the flasher, giving continuous voltage into the accessory circuit. Turn the radio on and you have tunes.

Dave, the floor is yours.

That's just freaking weird, LMAO! Leave it to MOPAR..

[MARTINSR]

I have to tell you, I don't believe it was built that way. I think you had a bad ground in that car and that is why it happen. Now, to send this info my brother to see what he says.

Brian