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Old 04-03-2013, 02:12 PM
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Yes it was.

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I need a definition of " gas powered"

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Old 04-03-2013, 02:24 PM
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I will give you what I have, Petrol-car.

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Old 04-03-2013, 02:37 PM
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By petrol are we talking about gasoline? There were earlier vehicles powered by internal combustion engines that were fueled by coal gas , hydrogen, and other combustible gases.

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Old 04-03-2013, 02:57 PM
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I said I would give you what I had, and what I had was petrol. Most of the time when I hear someone from across the pond refer to petrol it is gasoline they are talking about. What they called petrol back in the late 1800's I don't know.
I suppose petrol could refer to just fuel, which as you know could be many things , but I'm going with gasoline.

Sorry I can't give you more but that's all I have.

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Now we have Germany's Siegfried Marcus who built a gasoline powered vehicle in 1875. Four Stroke, not much hp chain and belt driven, four wheeled carriage.
This was his second car. The first one was powered by a two cycle engine. The vehicle was nothing more than a non-steerable cart he built in 1870.

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Neat guy. He also invented the plunge type explosive detonator.
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Well that one beats out this one by a few years, even though this is claimed to be the first passenger vehicle. It would have been a debate anyway as it was a kids tricycle. The engine was 122 cc with a HP of 0.024. it was first used to power a sewing machine, then he put one in his boys tricycle.

He being a guy by the name of Enrico Bernardi of Italy.

They called it the first Italian petrol-car, which had the claim to be the first such car in the world, was built in 1884.

there would have been a lot to debate on thi one for sure, I was just trying to find a quik question.

Looking into my book I found that a guy by the name of Jean-Joseph Etienne Lenoir in 1863 built a three wheeled carriage which he put his engine in, a single cylinder which had a capacity of 2,543 cubic centimetres 92.5 litres, or 155 cubic inches),which would be later called "oversquare" dimensions of 180 by 100 millimetres. Maximum power was 1.5 hp at a speed of 100 rpm.
He drove this vehicle 7 miles. It took 90 minutes each way, slower than a man could walk.

Now I quess I asked a question that I should have known more about.

BB being you had a answer earlier than mine and then I found one earlier that, I will give you the floor.

By the way old Jean was French and later became big in boats.

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Well that one beats out this one by a few years, even though this is claimed to be the first passenger vehicle. It would have been a debate anyway as it was a kids tricycle. The engine was 122 cc with a HP of 0.024. it was first used to power a sewing machine, then he put one in his boys tricycle.

He being a guy by the name of Enrico Bernardi of Italy.

They called it the first Italian petrol-car, which had the claim to be the first such car in the world, was built in 1884.

there would have been a lot to debate on thi one for sure, I was just trying to find a quik question.

Looking into my book I found that a guy by the name of Jean-Joseph Etienne Lenoir in 1863 built a three wheeled carriage which he put his engine in, a single cylinder which had a capacity of 2,543 cubic centimetres 92.5 litres, or 155 cubic inches),which would be later called "oversquare" dimensions of 180 by 100 millimetres. Maximum power was 1.5 hp at a speed of 100 rpm.
He drove this vehicle 7 miles. It took 90 minutes each way, slower than a man could walk.

Now I quess I asked a question that I should have known more about.

BB being you had a answer earlier than mine and then I found one earlier that, I will give you the floor.

By the way old Jean was French and later became big in boats.

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check the French car Cugnot,
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Old 04-03-2013, 05:32 PM
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have it in my book that he experimented but that's it, back in 1770, I have found things earlier than that.It's a question that can have many answers depending how you look at it I quess.

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yea ,that's why I didn't post an answer ,seems every article tells a little different story,the article I have says he made 4 cars and a 4 passenger tricycle with a 122 cu in engine ,,That's a trike, the last few I have posted seems to be wrong or in question,like the last post Nash, Also in 1771 he crashed into a stone wall ,making him the first recorded auto crash,

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Check this out. Not quite "petrol powered but I believe after eating three helpings of the house special at "Barney's Beanery" the driver had gas!

Watch " Le Fardier de Cugnot" Cugnot truck. 1770!

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Something is special about this Model A. What is it? What does it do?

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Used to fight fires.

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Nope not fire fighting apparatus.

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Gasifier to produce a combustible gas that the engine runs on. Wood is the fuel to make the gas. Common in WWII in many European countries due to petrol rationing/outright unavailable petrol. By the way - the Cugnot carriage was designed as a steam tractor to pull French Army artillery around in battle rather than using "Real Horsepower" (Oat burners)

The story I heard was that Karl Benz actually invented a primitive carburetor. Previous attempts to make a liquid fuel (gasoline)powered engine met with mixed success due to lack of any way to meter & mix the air & fuel. His crude carb (reportedly inspired by his wife's perfume atomizer) made a gasoline-burning engine possible. His was not the first ever, but was the first "practical" one

And I am heading for the Portland (Or) Swap Meet so in the highly unlikely even that any of this casts any light on the subject, I am unavailable to pose a question anyway.

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