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Old 07-06-2013, 03:54 PM
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Speaking of Vegas, what was the big mistake they made on them that immediately got them in the hot seat. The motors were failing, what caused it?


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Old 07-06-2013, 04:06 PM
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The metalurgy. Aluminum block sans liner, relying on a silica metalurgy to "prevent wear". It worked about as well as may be imagined.

Coupled with a tendency to warp and destroy head gaskets whenever it got hot and viola! An engine that was guaranteed to self-destruct before you even got it home, thus diverting people's attention from the fact that the bodies were rusted nearly all the way through about the time that the so-called cars reached final assembly stage in the factory.

Just another example of GM hiring the best and brightest minds to develop the most efficient way to deliberately destroy any customer goodwill and ensure that they could go bankrupt while Toyota, Mazda and Renault/Nissan would take over the entire market!
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Old 07-06-2013, 05:05 PM
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Wow, that was a downer Dave, holy crap I think I will go have a drink. ..........it's your floor.

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Old 07-06-2013, 05:21 PM
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The metalurgy. Aluminum block sans liner, relying on a silica metalurgy to "prevent wear". It worked about as well as may be imagined.

Coupled with a tendency to warp and destroy head gaskets whenever it got hot and viola! An engine that was guaranteed to self-destruct before you even got it home, thus diverting people's attention from the fact that the bodies were rusted nearly all the way through about the time that the so-called cars reached final assembly stage in the factory.

Just another example of GM hiring the best and brightest minds to develop the most efficient way to deliberately destroy any customer goodwill and ensure that they could go bankrupt while Toyota, Mazda and Renault/Nissan would take over the entire market!
Dave, I would hope that if you have something to say about Gm you would come out and say it.....No need to beat around the bush.

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Actually - at the very next board meeting, they had a wager to see who could top the Vega for making people buy some other brand. They still could not believe that ANYONE would buy a GM product after the Vega, but since it seemed that that the buying public was still dumb enough to get yet another GM, they got started on yet another way to make people buy Toyotas etc. They called it "Citation" and also spun it off into Cadillac, Olds, Buick & Pontiac Divisions, too!

A competing bet resulted in a statement from the top office to the effect that "I can top that for driving customers away! Just watch! We pledge that ALL cars will be Front-wheel drive"!

(The response from a couple of board members was "Cars? Is that what we make? I always wondered")
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Old 07-06-2013, 09:35 PM
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Wait a minute, you said back in the sixties! The Vega didn't exist until 1970! I just remembered some odd photos of the shipping of the Vega. I didn't remember anything about hanging from bumpers but the shipping was wild, that I knew.

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Ah Haw!! You got the trick question! You probably thought that I didn't remember that the Vega was a child of the seventies! Well there! I'll let it go this time! But done let it happen again!
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Your turn Brian.
( Seventies huh? Darn!)

I guess it's not your turn Brian!

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Old 07-06-2013, 09:40 PM
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The metalurgy. Aluminum block sans liner, relying on a silica metalurgy to "prevent wear". It worked about as well as may be imagined.

Coupled with a tendency to warp and destroy head gaskets whenever it got hot and viola! An engine that was guaranteed to self-destruct before you even got it home, thus diverting people's attention from the fact that the bodies were rusted nearly all the way through about the time that the so-called cars reached final assembly stage in the factory.

Just another example of GM hiring the best and brightest minds to develop the most efficient way to deliberately destroy any customer goodwill and ensure that they could go bankrupt while Toyota, Mazda and Renault/Nissan would take over the entire market!
Yes your right Dave but if you remember the rear of those cars were protected from rust by the handy self lubricating system caused by those crappy motors. That nice crust of oil and dirt kept that metal free of rust.

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Right you are! I forgot about the "total loss" oil system they used!

Oh - by the way, I will not be able to pose a new Q because I won't be able to monitor replies.

I am in the middle of a total basement clean-out in prep for new furnace and air cond and etc to be installed next week.
EVERYTHING has to go to make room for install ductwork, run gas lines etc.
This house was built 20 years ago in an era of "all-electric heating", so it has electric baseboard heat - which means it has never had a furnace, so it has no ductwork etc. For a 3500 sq ft, 5-level split you can just imagine the amount of renos that will be happening to accomodate the furnace and the 3-ton heatpump, electric air filters and other gizmos and doo-dads needed to reduce my winter heat bills down from the 500-600 bux a month they have been running at. This week is clean-out and renos, and the next week after that is more renos and re-dos of basement ceilings, new cupboards and shelves down there, etc.
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Actually - at the very next board meeting, they had a wager to see who could top the Vega for making people buy some other brand. They still could not believe that ANYONE would buy a GM product after the Vega, but since it seemed that that the buying public was still dumb enough to get yet another GM, they got started on yet another way to make people buy Toyotas etc. They called it "Citation" and also spun it off into Cadillac, Olds, Buick & Pontiac Divisions, too!

A competing bet resulted in a statement from the top office to the effect that "I can top that for driving customers away! Just watch! We pledge that ALL cars will be Front-wheel drive"!

(The response from a couple of board members was "Cars? Is that what we make? I always wondered")
Do you know what the difference was between the Chevrolet Citation and the Cadillac Cimarron?






The plastic interior trim as felt on it in the Cadillac.

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Old 07-06-2013, 11:17 PM
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Do you know what the difference was between the Chevrolet Citation and the Cadillac Cimarron?






The plastic interior trim as felt on it in the Cadillac.

Brian
And don't forget that all important feature " The impossible to remove oil filter" In order to remove this little gem your arm had to move in at least four different directions all at he same time. Oh what fun!

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I thought the Cimmiron was cavalier based
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I thought the Cimmiron was cavalier based
You aren't getting the joke apparently.

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My dad had an X11 (hangs head) I liked it.
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Ok, how about a question?

What years did Ford, GM, and Chrysler go from 6 to 12 volt, and when did they go from Generator to Alternator?

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1955 for 6-12V in Chevy; the Alternator was a LATE 68 item (I think maybe convertibles and COPO trucks etc.)
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