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Old 03-27-2014, 09:04 PM
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I saw this car the last time I was at the Peterson.
Dean Martin's, by chance?

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Dean Martin's, by chance?
Nyet! Not Deano's
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Mystery car hints

Ok - seems like some clues are may be needed

It is an American Car (Dean's was actually French)

This is the rear view of the one you need to identify
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Hint: Dean Martin's car was a Facel Vega HK500 - one of many built, all built in Paris in the late 1950's. (no it has no relation to the Chev Vega)

This one is a concept car, from one of the (then) "big 3" American makers
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Old 03-29-2014, 05:48 PM
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Dave your concept car was not manufactured by nor built by any of the big three. The builders tried to get one of the big three interested in buying the rights to their vehicle.

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OK- one more hint

This car was to be a concept for one of the companies that was then known as the BIG 3. It was designed to be competition for the Corvette

If no-one gets it by Monday night I'll post the answer
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Old 03-31-2014, 07:53 AM
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It doesn't ring a bell thought I could swear I have seen it before.

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Was this a prototype for AMC? 1954 Hudson and Nash joined to create it.
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Sorry - not a Nash/Hudson (future AMC) prototype either.
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Believe it or not, It's a ' 53/54 DODGE! It was developed by Fred Zeder Jr. His father (Frederick Zeder) was one of the "3 musketeers" who started Chrysler

It had a Hemi V8 Truck engine, and all parts were Dodge and/or Plymouth

It was on a space tube frame, did zero-60 in 7.5 with a 14.7 quarter mile.

It was supposed to debut as the Dodge Storm in 1954

Bertone designed and made up the body and it was shipped to the US on the Andrea Doria (as were many Mopar Concepts)

Because of various factions in Chrysler, they missed the chance to have a 2-seater sports hotrod, with a V8 a year before the Vette got a V8 and a year before the Thunderbird debuted.

It now lives in the Peterson Museum

And Yes, in many ways it looks like a Facel Vega, but the "face" is very different

go here: http://jalopnik.com/this-forgotten-c...ette-462970072
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Boothboy just corrected me via PM. It was not developed by Chrysler, but by Zeder and was officially known as the Zeder Z-250. Zeder wanted Chrysler to build it as competition for the 'Vette (IE He tried to "sell" them on the idea .) Instead his uncle, at Chrysler kept it locked away for a couple of years and Mopar missed their chance.

"Since he was aiming for a late 1954 launch, Fred (Zeder) went into partnership with Gene Cassaroll, a fellow racing enthusiast and owner of Automobile Shippers Inc, the company that hauled Chrysler's products all across the country. They founded the Sports Car Development Corporation, while Zeder also got John Butterfield onboard, who used to work for Cunningham and was one of Chrysler's top chassis engineers at the time. Most of the development took place in his basement in Detroit.

The styling was the work of Hank Kean, who also happened to be a Chrysler employee. When the quarter-scale clay model was ready, Virgil Exner, Chrysler's Head of Advanced Design also had some suggestions. When not in the basement, he was working with Ghia on Chrysler's future. But when Zeder went to see Fiat's Chief Engineer in Turin during his Christmas vacation in 1952, Dante Giacosa directed him to Bertone instead.

In April 1954, Fred took his pride (now called the Storm Z-250) to Chrysler's design headquarters in Hamtramck. After his father's death, his uncle Jim Zeder became the Chief Engineer. He was trained for years by the old trio to not be supportive when it came to new ideas. He borrowed the car so Chrysler could evaluate it, but instead he locked it up in the factory's storage for two years, under which nobody was supposed to touch or even mention the car.

By the time Fred got back his car, people were driving Corvettes and brand new Ford Thunderbirds, not to mention Nash-Healeys, Kaiser-Darrins, and Cunninghams on the tracks. Just like the Oldsmobile or Pontiac "Corvettes," Chrysler's was killed as well before it could prove itself.
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Yeah there was more going on then meets the eye. It would almost seem that Chrysler either did not want to compete against GM or Ford in the small 2 seat race( If they had Zeder would have gotten the Hemi that was being built for the 300's instead of the truck motor) or they just didn't want any outsiders designing their cars for them. Fred own uncle pretty much screwed his own nephew by hiding the car from everybody. I'll bet you that there was some very interesting discussions between nephew and uncle about that car!

Here's a informative article that tell a little more of the story.
Fred Zeder | Hemmings Daily

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OK - so since no-one could figure out THAT car, what's this one?

Once again, it is an American car (hint # 1)
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Sweet Merciful Crap! The front license plate gave it away!

Ok, here's another. It is another American car concept

Wot Izzit?
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Italian Corvair concept.
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