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Old 04-06-2009, 06:58 AM
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Did I see on this site awhile back? ...P-50?
34Fords you are correct.yes this car went down in the record books 1965 peel p-50.The floor is yours. Cole

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OK, lets try this one The very first Fords used what engines? Joel
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177ci motor with an iron pot carb

all i know..
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Old 04-06-2009, 08:43 AM
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I'm talking "the very first" and who manufactured them? Joel
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Hi,
Henry Ford made an engine, a one cylinder engine, I don't know
if it was used in his cars though, or if it was even produced in a quantity too be used in his cars.
Rich
PS Dave W. I put the P&G in the gun safe with my other non replaceable items, it was in such good condition I didn't want to take a chance of messing it up. Thanks Friend

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Fords 1896 Quadricycle used a flat two air cooled. May have been built by Edison.
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batteries on the concrete floor

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86Dub you can jump right in and take this over but I can't wait!

What is the reason for the myth that you are not supposed to store a car battery on a concrete floor?

Brian
I must of missed this one, but I feel it needs to be talked about just a little bit.

If a battery is dirty and wet around the top and outside you can actually get a volt reading off of it without touching the terminals. Just take the leads from your volt meter and touch the dirty wet area about an inch or so away from the post. Place the negative lead close to the negative post and the positive lead close to the positive post but not touching the actual post. Just touch the wet dirty area close to the post and you will get a volt reading. In the battery industry this is what is referred to as surface voltage. It is not capable of carrying much amps but in certain situations it can discharge a battery. If you set it on a damp area of the floor and if the battery is wet and dirty down the sides and bottom it can increase the effect. The so called myth came about years ago when all batteries were made with a top and case of an asphalt base. These batteries were bad about sweating and that increased the conductivity and the surface voltage. Now with todays modern plastics that battery cases are made out of it is not a problem unless the battery is real dirty and moist. Being raised in the sixties by a father that did a lot of battery work I was taught to never set a battery on the concrete floor. This topic has been known to stir up some heated debates and I really don't like to discus it to the extreme that some people like to take it. I just like to throw in my two cents about where the myth came from and to try and explain that in certain situations it is possible. To this day I figure why take a chance It's just as easy to set it on a block of wood and above all wash it off every now and then.

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Old 04-06-2009, 05:43 PM
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Chris, go to the Interstate battery site and you will see where the myth originated. There is no fact what so ever that setting a modern battery on contrete is going to do anything that it wouldn't do if you sat it on a pile of hamburgers.

The fact is it came from the glass battery days and setting it on the floor hard would break it.

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Chris, go to the Interstate battery site and you will see where the myth originated. There is no fact what so ever that setting a modern battery on contrete is going to do anything that it wouldn't do if you sat it on a pile of hamburgers.

The fact is it came from the glass battery days and setting it on the floor hard would break it.

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Brian, without having to go to the Interstate battery site I believe that there is no fact to concrete discharging a battery. But until taking an extensive battery course a few years back I didn't believe that surface voltage caused by a wet and dirty battery case could discharge a battery. In fact I didn't even know what surface voltage was. Over the years I had encountered it a time or two while trouble shooting charging systems but I didn't know that it had a name. However surface voltage was thoroughly explained and the effects of how it could discharge a battery over a short period of time was demonstrated. The resistance that it can cause in a charging system was also explained. The course was a week long and sponsored by Interstate. I totally agree with you and the instructor also said the same thing, concrete alone can not discharged a battery. But after taking the course I now know that if a battery is damp and dirty on the outside, surface voltage can cause it to discharge. The point that I am trying to make is that surface voltage could have been the problem all along and concrete was blamed for it. Especially with the old cases that were made out of tar and prone to sweating and leaking. You are probably like me in that you keep your batteries clean. But if you ever encounter a damp dirty battery do the voltage test that I described in the last post. What I'm trying to bring to light is the importance of keeping a battery clean and how surface voltage can discharge a battery.

Oh, by the way, contrete is spelled concrete. LOL Just messing with ya brother.

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Old 04-06-2009, 10:18 PM
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So, what you are saying Chris is that if you have a sweating battery sitting on a pile of hamburgers it WILL discharge?

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Hi Guys, Its late and I won't be able to get back on for awhile! The answer may be disputed but, is Dodge! Whoever wants to grab the floor first will be fine with me. Joel
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Hi Guys, Its late and I won't be able to get back on for awhile! The answer may be disputed but, is Dodge! Whoever wants to grab the floor first will be fine with me. Joel
Sorry for the really long delay guys. I'm gonna have to keep track of this thread more when I try to answer a question.
Anyway, heres a question.

How can you tell the difference between a 1982 and 1983 Chevy/GMC truck?
(Hint: It's in the front half of the vehicle)
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Sorry dub, I will retract question.
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Dub, how about the headlights? Composite for the 83 and sealed beam for the 82? But as I remember BOTH were available at the same time for years, don't know if 82-83 were some of those years.

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I'm not really sure on that Brian. I was looking for something else. Much more noticable.
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