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Old 07-16-2013, 04:13 PM
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trying something new -- brakes

Newbie here to your forum. I am impressed with the creativity, which is why I am here. I have a barn-find 1963 Mercedes Benz 220S with 85k miles. The idea was to make this into a daily driver while keeping the style. It's not collectible, just very cool. So I am not averse to putting anything practical under the hood.

My current problem is a leaky break booster (ATE T50/24). Can't find a rebuild kit but there is a guy who will rebuild for $1,100. Why can't I just find a comparable booster, fabricate new brackets, adapt the line fittings and go driving (and stopping?) What brake booster can I use and where can I find it? The existing booster is behind the left headlamp and there is a ton of space to put in anything. It is a remote hydraulic booster.

Thanks for your ideas and the power to think out of the box.
David

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You might want to look around this site.


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umm......1,100??? for 5 bucks worth or seals?

LOL..... I will do it for 900!!! LOL....... sounds fishy

Ya, poke around the site a bit. Maybe try a reputable repair shop.
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I'm guessing, and it's only a guess is that you can use one of the common hot rod after market PB boosters along with the usual '70s Corvette style master cylinder with some thought and some brake line fitting adaptation. There is booster version that is remote mount as well. As far as mounting it - German cars are 'interesting'.

These German cars are expensive to own and repair - I've had but one, never to own another after being quoted over a thousand dollars to do a simple 4 wheel brake job that I ended up, once I finally had the time, doing for less then $100.
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Hi David,

I am doing similar research for my truck and the local shop showed me a bunch of options. I looked up your car and found some nice images to reference. Looking at this:



It appears you could get away with a couple options. First, you could look at retrofitting a Willwood tandem master brake cylinder.

Wilwood High-Performance Disc Brakes - Master Cylinders: Tandem Master Cylinder

And just do away with the booster. This may seem crazy, but I have driven several cars with this setup and it drives fine. The brakes are harder to push, but they work just the same.

The next option would be an electric hydraulic brake booster. These can be pricy, like $600-1500 but they have a charged gas reserve and work very well.

You could also add a small power steering pump off of a small car and then use the Hydrobooster off an Astro van. This is a popular conversion as it is cheap, commonly done and the hardest part is fabricating the brackets. You can later change your front steering assembly out with power steering from a GM or Ford.

I would consider pulling the motor, dropping in a SBC 350 +700R and a a power steering/hydroboost out of an Astro. You could go the route of the V6 our of an Astro (it is the 350 with 2 cylinders cut off), but if you are really worried about weight, just swap out the cast iron parts for aluminum (Intake, heads, block) until you are happy. Personally, I would go with TBI or some other simple GM stock FI on this retrofit. Drivability is key to the successful theses are to be put into services as a DD.

If you have a build thread, please share it. I would love to see how you mod the car. I have similar desires to retro-mod an old Rolls or Boat tail.

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Some good ideas. But I am just starting and want to get the car rolling.
Why can't I plug in this thing
NAPA AUTO PARTS
The current booster is 7 inches and this one is 8. The ports are 3/8, but I don't know if the flange style will work. That isn't a big problem to overcome, but I am looking for the simplest solution.
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David
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I think you can adapt anything to work.

As long as all the lines connect and you can get the brake pedal to mate with the booster you are good to go! Just make sure that your linkage doesn't bind up when pressing the booster, flex in the mounting can cause this. Post pics when you dive in.

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This might be your easiest answer . Here's a parts kit and a instruction manual for rebuilding your original unit. Less than $200.00
No adapting and it should work like how it was designed to work.

Mercedes-Benz Ponton ATE Brake Booster Rebuild www.mbzponton.org

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That Ponton page and that site have very helpful. Unfortunately it is old and all the rebuild kits have been sold.
The Napa booster was a ghost. Don't you hate it when a car parts store advertises they have something that does not exist?
Fortunately I found a booster that should work from Power Brake Sales in Sacramento.
I'll report if it works (or not.)
Thanks for the feedback.
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