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Old 02-20-2012, 09:23 PM
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F. bird gave you a real good web sight, read about the anvil he posted where to look!! Its has real good info! On a build!

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lg1969 - after doing more research, based on what everyone told me, and also the articles FBird and Jester told me to read up on, i stumbled on an old post of yours from about 5 years ago, from a post somewhat simmilar to this:


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You guys are still questioning if Tunnel Ram can run on the streets. I can tell you this YES.
I have a 69 Chevelle ever since my mother bought it brand new. I have own the Chevelle for 38 years and still enjoy driving it all over the Island.
Out of the 38 years of use, I had my Tunnel Ram setup for 25 years.
It is sitting on a 10.5 :1 compression 355cid with 2.02 heads, Crain fireball Cam, 1.6 roller rockers, with gear drive. The carbs I am using are modified Holley 390CFM. They converted from single feed to dual feed setup with metering block for my secondary from a 780CFM Holley. They are mounted sideways on a Edelbrock Street Tunnel Ram.
The jets are 57 for primaries and 62 for the secondaries, and 6.5 power valve.
I use a blue pump cam on number 2 setting.
With this setup I even passed emission test before the law was change to safety inspection.
Now I got a 11:1 400cid SBC with AFR heads, Comp cam 270H the same 1.6 roller rockers and yes, gear drive. My 355 had so much low end torque, I can pull tree stumps. And now with the 400 I can pull a house. ( Only Kidding). The Chevelle pulls like a jack rabbit. Top end it will make your hair stand. The 400 is coupled to a 350 Turbo Hydro with 3000 stall converter with a shift kit, and a 12 bolts 4:10 gears for the rear end. As you can see, Tunnel Ram Setup will work with no problem.

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Do you by chance remeber the specs on that 355 you had? Cam specs maybe? The numbers you are bringing up on you part selesction seem crazy enough to work on what ive got...
Also, not to be an @$$hole or push the envelope too far, but on that same 355 setup, do you by chance have any track times or hp numbers? Thank you very much in advance.

Jester and FBird, i think them articles are helping

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Old 02-25-2012, 05:19 PM
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I'm not to sure but it was .448/.448 lift with 1.5 rockers, 222@ .050, advertised duration 296/296. 109* sep. I used 1.6 Rocker which makes it 477 lift. It is a strong midrange cam. Slight lope to it. I used it on my 307 (30 overboard) and on 355sbc. Both used 64CC 202 heads that was used on a 69' 302 Z/28 engine.
The 355sbc was 10.5:1 compression. 3600 pound car I was doing 13.2 sec on the 1/4 mile with my 307sbc with street tires. Before they shut down the track. Now there is no 1/4 mile track here. I never had the chance to try it the 355sbc.
BTW: The 406 is using a 280H. I pulled the 270H. Too mild.
And you are not an @$$hole at all.

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I'm not to sure but it was .448/.448 lift with 1.5 rockers, 222@ .050, advertised duration 296/296. 109* sep. I used 1.6 Rocker which makes it 477 lift. It is a strong midrange cam. Slight lope to it. I used it on my 307 (30 overboard) and on 355sbc. Both used 64CC 202 heads that was used on a 69' 302 Z/28 engine.
The 355sbc was 10.5:1 compression. 3600 pound car I was doing 13.2 sec on the 1/4 mile with my 307sbc with street tires. Before they shut down the track. Now there is no 1/4 mile track here. I never had the chance to try it the 355sbc.
BTW: The 406 is using a 280H. I pulled the 270H. Too mild.
And you are not an @$$hole at all.
No your not an @$$HOLE at all and your asking very good questions (I had to write something) LOL I deleted this tread off my controll panel!!!

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lg1969, would you think that if i swapped the two 450 carbs with two 390s like what you have, and build them per your receipe with different bowls, a new metering block, jets and a different cam i may have a chance to make something work with my current setup?

I kinna started to feel really discouraged about this setup, and i started considering something more newbie friendly like a dual plane with a single carb. (i actually started another post about a cam, intake and carb swap, to see what people's opinions are). However, lg's setup seems reasonalble enough even a moron like me understands it. I'd like to keep what i already have, but i lack a lot of knowledge...

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Old 02-25-2012, 06:17 PM
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Like I wrote before. Just get the 390 from E-bay. Just put it on TR as is. It cost less then buying it separate.
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Lg1969 - pm sent.
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i think im gonna replace my friends with this forum looks like everyone here is more supportive, helpful and apt to answer my questions than most people i run into daily. Tunnel rams are the in thing now again?
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Old 02-25-2012, 08:37 PM
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Maverick,

You've settled on running the tunnel ram. That's good, now you know a piece of your build. And it is one that you really should decide up front, to avoid a mismatched combination.

Next you need to step back and figure out your ET and power goals, and what RPM range you are going to use. Are you going to run slicks? Nitrous? Are you upgrading to a rear end that can handle massive abuse? How heavy is your car? Do you need to cage it for the ET you want to run?

Only when you know those things will you know what to do about rotating assembly, cam, heads, exhaust, rear end gears, converter, and carburetors. Oh yeah - how about budget? That one is huge, and really puts a cap on the ET goal. That said, you can do some pretty amazing stuff on a limited budget if you think it all through. If you just start doing without planning first, you might wind up being one of those guys putting your car on Craiglist while it is still in pieces.

There are folks here who can help a lot, if you are ready to do the hard work of figuring out what you want.

By the way - the 390s are good for a mild street build of maybe 450HP, but not for a fire-breathing 650HP race motor. But now we're back to budget. My advice is to not buy any more parts until you know what you're trying to build.

Reading this over, it sounds kind of harsh. Not meant that way - just want to help you get focused on where you want to get to.

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the change of mind can be seen here

so are we back on track with the tall X2?
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just my $0.02
if this is a 85% drag car/15% street car
I would use bigger carbs
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F-Bird, if Maverick is happy running low 13s I don't know why you have to disparage that. He can still have fun bracket racing.

That's why I asked him to spec how fast he wants to go.

I'm not seeing where he answered "13.2". Maybe it is in another thread?
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FBird - i didn't realize there was a quiz due after you assigned me the reading material on the anvil article

Actually - i did read it. And i read more than just those articles. I wish i could afford what those guys are pushing as a bottom end. They named it "the anvil" for a very good reason apparently. On the other hand... i have to work with what i got. I cant go out to summit and back my truck up to their loading dock to stock up on goodies. When i got the tunnel ram combo, i knew far less about hp than what i know now - considering i know not much currently as it is anyway. Those twisted wedge heads? If they don't work oh well... i ll change them later. Its what i have. The title of this post is called "To tunnel ram or not to tunnel ram," and not "i have a tunnel ram - tell me what to do now." Everyone here has made very valid points about how to build a motor with a t ram to make power. Lg1969's and PaintedJester's setups i can at least wrap my head around. Now, in theory i undersand your point (FBird) about using big carbs for more airflow and such.
After doing your assigned homework, and read the anvil article, the authors from hot rod magazine used Holleys Stage 3 wild street systemax package. It seemed they made decent power with that so i really started considering that option. It seemed they had pretty good numbers with a mild enough build even i (with my lacking knowledge of carb tuning) could handle. Hopefully. The main reason why i started getting discouraged and posted another thread, that Matt picked up on quick lol

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the change of mind can be seen here

so are we back on track with the tall X2?
was that when i got to the part when they t-rammed that same motor (that is obviously a lot beefier than mine) the cam that they used would most likely be ridiculous for my motor. My 355 would probably quit me after ra few passes with such a setup.

Im not afraid to spend the money on the right stuff. i can spare a total of maybe 1500 over the course of this spring/summer to make something happen with my motor. Maybe more than that. But i do have other priorities as well. I dont expect to be the next John Force, i just wanna have fun at the track in a decent running car.

and P.S. this post was in no way intended to offend anyone. Especially FBird
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13.2 sec with a 307sbc. In a 3600 lbs chevelle.
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