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Old 07-13-2010, 04:38 AM
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That takes the fun out of "building my first muscle motor".
Just build you a radical big block

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Lol finally faith. Is there any way to get in contact with them to find out what their build list is? I'm in between right now, I'm not sure if I want to just stay at a 355 and drop it in my 89 pickup I just restored, or if I want to unload my bank account to build a beast.
I'll see what I can do.

Personally, I would say give the block to a (trusted!!!) engine builder, and he'll put you together a very street-able sbc with out braking the bank. (Probably around 2k)



You will have a ride that makes horsepower in the 400's. Then, take your time and slowly piece by piece build your behemoth.
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okay i am gonna chime in here cause i have been playing with hondas and sbcs for the past couple years. first off building an import is nothing like building a v8. its not as easy to build a v8. its not slap on a turbo kit and swap out stocki nternals for h beams. there is pin heights rd lengths and different stroke cranks. okay, who r u having make you a ohc vvt setup for a sbc? and whos gonna custom grind your cam. if you are really gonna make a 1000hp sbc block video tape the dyno pulls so we can watch it. a sbc block isnt like a b18 where you just have diffferent sleeves installed and then h beams and forged pistons and you have a 1000+hp short block. i would say shoot for 650-700hp and you will be very impressed. all my import friends that ride in my 325hp v8 love the low rpm pull and like that you dont need to spin it to 6000+rpm to make poewer. if u really want help ill do what i can i have turned into a turbo junkie myself, but 1000hp is a time bomb waiting to happen. look around racingjunk.com for aftermarket blocks and find one that needs a couple sleeves or a new maincap and a line bore and then find a good machinist. this is how my machinist gets his blocks. he finds ones that are messed up and spend a little extra cash to fix it up.

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But really, what is the name of the shop who says "Do it"?
Never got an answer. I wonder why.

NOT! LOL

So, let us recap.

First: gonna build a world beater 1000HP 14 psi boosted, VVT-equipped SBC and not no one is gonna stand in his way!

To now: asking what cast crank to build a beater truck engine with.

Guys, there's a word for this type of thing. I'll leave it at that. (*cough*troll*cough*)
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Old 07-13-2010, 09:25 AM
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okay i am gonna chime in here cause i have been playing with hondas and sbcs for the past couple years. first off building an import is nothing like building a v8. its not as easy to build a v8. its not slap on a turbo kit and swap out stocki nternals for h beams. there is pin heights rd lengths and different stroke cranks. okay, who r u having make you a ohc vvt setup for a sbc? and whos gonna custom grind your cam. if you are really gonna make a 1000hp sbc block video tape the dyno pulls so we can watch it. a sbc block isnt like a b18 where you just have diffferent sleeves installed and then h beams and forged pistons and you have a 1000+hp short block. i would say shoot for 650-700hp and you will be very impressed. all my import friends that ride in my 325hp v8 love the low rpm pull and like that you dont need to spin it to 6000+rpm to make poewer. if u really want help ill do what i can i have turned into a turbo junkie myself, but 1000hp is a time bomb waiting to happen. look around racingjunk.com for aftermarket blocks and find one that needs a couple sleeves or a new maincap and a line bore and then find a good machinist. this is how my machinist gets his blocks. he finds ones that are messed up and spend a little extra cash to fix it up.
he was talking about adjustable ratio rockers...not the same thing as honda vtec. You cannot adjust on the fly the ratio...

Nelson Raceing Engines is building a dual overhead cam 32 valve sbc, but that is the only outfit I have heard that is doing it.

If ya want dohc v8, go with a 4.6L ford

Building a v8 is easier? lol bud we have to deal with rod length and compression height too. Just 2x everything =D
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he was talking about adjustable ratio rockers...not the same thing as honda vtec. You cannot adjust on the fly the ratio...

Nelson Raceing Engines is building a dual overhead cam 32 valve sbc, but that is the only outfit I have heard that is doing it.

If ya want dohc v8, go with a 4.6L ford

Building a v8 is easier? lol bud we have to deal with rod length and compression height too. Just 2x everything =D
i said building a v8 isnt as easy as building a 4cyl. that block from nelson racing is gonna be way too expensive for any mainstream individual to afford. its a great idea though but will never be practical. i do agree though with if u want a ohc v8 go with the ford modular engines.
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i said building a v8 isnt as easy as building a 4cyl. that block from nelson racing is gonna be way too expensive for any mainstream individual to afford. its a great idea though but will never be practical. i do agree though with if u want a ohc v8 go with the ford modular engines.
not just ohc, dohc!

plus all the blocks are good for 1000hp plus. (Except the windsor aluminum junk)
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not just ohc, dohc!

plus all the blocks are good for 1000hp plus. (Except the windsor aluminum junk)
yeah i heard of a lot of people making over 1000+. i wana put a twin turbo dohc 4.6 in a ranger. i see a lot more sohc at the yard but every now and then the 4 cam dohc ones r there.
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Ok your calling me a troll for not being sure on what kind of motor I want to build my first sbc out of. Second its not an overhead cam setup either, I'm going to be using the compcams variable lifters and an adjustable roller rocker arm to get the valve lift variation (1000 to about 3000rmp 1/2 lift, 3000+rmp full lift with a 10% variation depending on the demand of the motor). Name of the shop, muscleheads, google it, its literally right across I35e from me. Thanks for reminding me about that I gotta go pick up my cam from them. Dyno pulls; when I actually get this all together and find a dyno (I've only lived in texas for 3 weeks) it'll be done. Even if I don't hit the numbers I want, I can still say " well I built my first v8, and it runs, congrats to me". I don't get why most people on here are so arrogant and quick to tell me I can't accomplish anything I want out of this, when NONE of you have attempted it yourselves.
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Ok your calling me a troll for not being sure on what kind of motor I want to build my first sbc out of. Second its not an overhead cam setup either, I'm going to be using the compcams variable lifters and an adjustable roller rocker arm to get the valve lift variation (1000 to about 3000rmp 1/2 lift, 3000+rmp full lift with a 10% variation depending on the demand of the motor). Name of the shop, muscleheads, google it, its literally right across I35e from me. Thanks for reminding me about that I gotta go pick up my cam from them. Dyno pulls; when I actually get this all together and find a dyno (I've only lived in texas for 3 weeks) it'll be done. Even if I don't hit the numbers I want, I can still say " well I built my first v8, and it runs, congrats to me". I don't get why most people on here are so arrogant and quick to tell me I can't accomplish anything I want out of this, when NONE of you have attempted it yourselves.
First off my apologies on the ohc vvt comment. I didn't read that you were using the variable lifters. secondly I am sure more people on here would rather see you put a bunch of money into an aftermarket block and succeed at building your first v8 then see a stock block come apart on you. We have all seen numerous stock blocks come apart way before 1000hp. So LISTEN to what people have said. Unless you want a pile of junk parts just man up and get an aftermarket block if you want 1000hp.
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Ok your calling me a troll for not being sure on what kind of motor I want to build my first sbc out of.
Bull ****. What you said was you had a stock block that was so "strong" that it broke the tooling while boring it(!??!), that you were going to build a VVT set-up using "variable lifters" as the central component, you were going to use twin turbochargers at "15-20" PSI boost w/this OEM block casting, and you were going to do this w/a stock "(port and polish of course)" GM factory TPI.

I didn't first type that- YOU did. And to me, that qualifies you as a troll (or flamer, take your pick)- especially after arguing repeatedly how you can do it and we (those who disagreed) were all just haters if we disagreed w/this folly, how I and others were just wrong, wrong, wrong (although NOW it would seem you've changed your "tune" [HA-HA] radically since the first post) and you've not stopped backpedaling YET.

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I'm going to be using the compcams variable lifters and an adjustable roller rocker arm to get the valve lift variation (1000 to about 3000rmp 1/2 lift, 3000+rmp full lift with a 10% variation depending on the demand of the motor).
There's not going to be a 1/2 lift variation in lift, nor would you even want there to be. At anything above an idle, the engine will need a lot more than 1/2 lift (unless you're using a HUGE cam)to make any power- unless you're still fantasizing about 14 psi boost levels in a stock block. In which case the lift 1/2 or not will be the very LEAST of your concerns.
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Ok your calling me a troll for not being sure on what kind of motor I want to build my first sbc out of. Second its not an overhead cam setup either, I'm going to be using the compcams variable lifters and an adjustable roller rocker arm to get the valve lift variation (1000 to about 3000rmp 1/2 lift, 3000+rmp full lift with a 10% variation depending on the demand of the motor). Name of the shop, muscleheads, google it, its literally right across I35e from me. Thanks for reminding me about that I gotta go pick up my cam from them. Dyno pulls; when I actually get this all together and find a dyno (I've only lived in texas for 3 weeks) it'll be done. Even if I don't hit the numbers I want, I can still say " well I built my first v8, and it runs, congrats to me". I don't get why most people on here are so arrogant and quick to tell me I can't accomplish anything I want out of this, when NONE of you have attempted it yourselves.
do NOT run those lifters. Dont you see what compcams says? Limited street use...
If you use this on your daily driver, you will be running through lifters like they are free.
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Ok your calling me a troll for not being sure on what kind of motor I want to build my first sbc out of. Second its not an overhead cam setup either, I'm going to be using the compcams variable lifters and an adjustable roller rocker arm to get the valve lift variation (1000 to about 3000rmp 1/2 lift, 3000+rmp full lift with a 10% variation depending on the demand of the motor). Name of the shop, muscleheads, google it, its literally right across I35e from me. Thanks for reminding me about that I gotta go pick up my cam from them. Dyno pulls; when I actually get this all together and find a dyno (I've only lived in texas for 3 weeks) it'll be done. Even if I don't hit the numbers I want, I can still say " well I built my first v8, and it runs, congrats to me". I don't get why most people on here are so arrogant and quick to tell me I can't accomplish anything I want out of this, when NONE of you have attempted it yourselves.
Don't let haters put you down. You CAN build a 1000hp sbc with a 4 bolt block.

You don't need all the fancy lifters and such. A moderate cam will do, especially with turbos.

forged internals (go with american ie oliver rods and ohio crank, lunati, etc, not eagle crap), billet caps, and a girdle.
moderate cam-do NOT go crazy! Boost will hold your torque curve long after it has left its power range.

http://members.jasnetworks.net/mjsit...T/BudgetTT.htm

these guys did a 10 second twin turbo car with less than 1k. Check it out =D
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Name of the shop, muscleheads, google it
Well, I did one better than googleing it- I just got off the phone [(972) 434-5800] w/the guy. Seems like a good dude.

Would it surprise you to hear that HIS take on your little twin turbo project is a "bit" (lol) different than your representation of his involvement w/the project?
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Well, I did one better than googleing it- I just got off the phone [(972) 434-5800] w/the guy. Seems like a good dude.

Would it surprise you to hear that HIS take on your little twin turbo project is a "bit" lol different than your representation of his involvement w/the project?
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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