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Old 06-25-2013, 02:11 PM
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I can't say if you don't have any other problems,, Check the fly wheel and if it still look's good,, I would take the chance on one Like I posted,,, Like I said.. I was having nothing but trouble with sbc and bbc starters,, Breaking the nose off some and grinding,,, Never could shim them right,,,, I took a chance with this guy's starters and now I'm hooked on them,,, Never had any problems with his starters,,, I have bought a lot from him and will keep buying from him until I start to have trouble's.... I'm about to buy another one for my big block in my C-CAB sometime this week...

But like I said... Without being there to see everything,,, I can't say it's your only problem... If it was mine... I would get the starter... What ever you decide.. Good luck and I hope this fix your problem... The good thing about this starter is the size and the price... Don't freak out when you see how small it is..

It turned over my 468 big block with no problems at all..

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I can't say if you don't have any other problems,, Check the fly wheel and if it still look's good,, I would take the chance on one Like I posted,,, Like I said.. I was having nothing but trouble with sbc and bbc starters,, Breaking the nose off some and grinding,,, Never could shim them right,,,, I took a chance with this guy's starters and now I'm hooked on them,,, Never had any problems with his starters,,, I have bought a lot from him and will keep buying from him until I start to have trouble's.... I'm about to buy another one for my big block in my C-CAB sometime this week...

But like I said... Without being there to see everything,,, I can't say it's your only problem... If it was mine... I would get the starter... What ever you decide.. Good luck and I hope this fix your problem... The good thing about this starter is the size and the price... Don't freak out when you see how small it is..



It turned over my 468 big block with no problems at all..
u wouldnt happen to have the measurements of one would u , even though i got my reman starter working right now , i sure could use a bunch of clearance around the starter for my downpipe off the passenger side turbo on my car , its hard to find a decently priced mini starter for the offset bolt pattern
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u wouldnt happen to have the measurements of one would u , even though i got my reman starter working right now , i sure could use a bunch of clearance around the starter for my downpipe off the passenger side turbo on my car , its hard to find a decently priced mini starter for the offset bolt pattern
I will check to see if I still have the broken Power Master,, They are the same size... I can tell you this much... IT'S SMALL !!!LOL First one I bought I laughed when I open the box..

Told my wife I wasted my money buying this little toy.. It will never turn over my motor... Boy was I wrong !!!!! If you need room,, You will have that... It's not much bigger then your hand... Well my hand anyway..LOL.. I will try to find my broken Power Master and get back to you...I have a wake to go to tonight for my good friend..
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I will check to see if I still have the broken Power Master,, They are the same size... I can tell you this much... IT'S SMALL !!!LOL First one I bought I laughed when I open the box..

Told my wife I wasted my money buying this little toy.. It will never turn over my motor... Boy was I wrong !!!!! If you need room,, You will have that... It's not much bigger then your hand... Well my hand anyway..LOL.. I will try to find my broken Power Master and get back to you...I have a wake to go to tonight for my good friend..

thanks would be greatly apreciated , no rush at all on it , as ill prolly buy one when i decide to upgrade my downpipes and turbos , if i can fit it ill go with dual 3.5 inch downpipes instead of dual 3 inch , cureently i have dual 2.5 and its a tight fit witht he stock starter
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I picked up a new Summit mini high-torque Starter today and installed it. Still the same problem. Set the proper gap on 1 spot on the flexplate, and when I spin it over 1/3rd, it's off by a lot. So I am going to drop the trans and order a new flexplate in the morning (as well as a bigger converter to fix the off-idle problem b/c the cam is so big). I'm glad I got rid of the old junk starter and swapped to this new one too, should at least eliminate any problems in the future.

So I sure hope I find a broken/cracked, or at least warped, flexplate when I get it all taken apart in the morning...
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I picked up a new Summit mini high-torque Starter today and installed it. Still the same problem. Set the proper gap on 1 spot on the flexplate, and when I spin it over 1/3rd, it's off by a lot. So I am going to drop the trans and order a new flexplate in the morning (as well as a bigger converter to fix the off-idle problem b/c the cam is so big). I'm glad I got rid of the old junk starter and swapped to this new one too, should at least eliminate any problems in the future.

So I sure hope I find a broken/cracked, or at least warped, flexplate when I get it all taken apart in the morning...
I think I would have taken the cheaper way out,, But That's you... Now try clamping a piece on metal very close to the fly wheels without touching it and turn it by hand and watch the gap between the F/w And the metal and see how much it's out of round.. That will tell you better...

Stop spinning it over with the key,, It will only make things worst,, When checking the gaps, Best to turn it by hand..
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thanks would be greatly apreciated , no rush at all on it , as ill prolly buy one when i decide to upgrade my downpipes and turbos , if i can fit it ill go with dual 3.5 inch downpipes instead of dual 3 inch , cureently i have dual 2.5 and its a tight fit witht he stock starter
Still looking for it... I think that $3 or 400 dollar starter might be and the trash by now,,, But I remember saving it.. I will keep looking..
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why would you only tighten one bolt on the flywheel ? Check all of them now.
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I know.. At the time I didn't think the bolt I "checked" was loose enough to make me want to check the other 2.
If you tightened one of three fasteners, that would have been the torque converter to the flexplate. There are two types of converter to flexplate bolts- one uses a bolt and nut, the other uses a bolt into threaded holes in the converter- which may be the one you have. If that's the case, I would loosen all three and retighten them in stages to a final torque of 40-45 ft/lb and then see if the warp is corrected.
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I think I would have taken the cheaper way out,, But That's you... Now try clamping a piece on metal very close to the fly wheels without touching it and turn it by hand and watch the gap between the F/w And the metal and see how much it's out of round.. That will tell you better...
Yes I will do that today as well. I'm glad to have the new starter, mainly b/c their is no nose-cone on it so much easier for me to set the gap correctly, or at least check it in multiple locations.

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If you tightened one of three fasteners, that would have been the torque converter to the flexplate. There are two types of converter to flexplate bolts- one uses a bolt and nut, the other uses a bolt into threaded holes in the converter- which may be the one you have. If that's the case, I would loosen all three and retighten them in stages to a final torque of 40-45 ft/lb and then see if the warp is corrected.
Thank you, great advice. It was 1 of the 3 Flexplate/converter bolts. I checked the other two and they weren't loose. However, the flexplate does seem to have extra flex in it at a particular spot - I'm guessing it's cracked somewhere. I finally got the car over to a lift, instead of on jack stands, so this should be much easier now. I'll report back soon
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Sounds good..

stratt134..The Flexplate/converter bolts was brought up at the begaining of this thread.. Not sure if you missed that or not... If they are tighten wrong it can cause problems..
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Looks like the bolts don't have washers on them and may have got pulled through the holes a bit. The flywheel was out of round more than .040 after measuring this morning
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If you do happen to pull the trans or motor to change the fly wheel,, Check the back side of the crank and make sure they don't have a pilot shaft bushing inside the back of the fly wheel... Does the converter side forward without pulling with the bolts ?? Seen where someone didn't take out the bushing and tryed installing a automatic trans before... Just something else to check if you have the trans out..
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Just for future info. a straighten out paper clip should just fit between the teeth ( when engaged) of the flywheel an starter gear.
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I unbolted the torque converter to check the flexplate one more time. I measured again, and the flexplate is out-of-round by a good .040". Looks like I'm ordering a new flexplate and bigger converter while it is out. Here are some pictures of the bolt holes on the flexplate:



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by the photo it looks like some one installed wrong converter to flex plate ,when buying new flexplate get the one with dual bolt holes ,6 holes there on a different bolt circle,then you can turn converter to match correct bolt holes

Also you don't have to buy the high dollar starters just buy a 4.3 v6 standard starter ,sane as a nini starter gives lots more room.a have one on my 496 BBC no problems hot or cold ,,most all local racers use them now,,lots cheaper .mine is a staggered bolt ,don't know if the make one for straight across bolts but most blocks have 3 holes so you can run either to match flywheel the 168 tooth flywheel uses the staggered bolt starter.= the 153 most will use either but the strait across usually work without any shims

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