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stratt134 06-23-2013 07:34 PM

Unfortunate Starter problems ?
 
I have an old 69 Nova that was sitting around for a couple years (built it 10 yrs ago). I ordered some parts and upgrades so I could refresh it (gas tank, seats, etc etc) to get it back on the road. Now the problem:

I put the car on a lift and went through everything, tightening all the old bolts, checking lines, etc etc.

I got to the flywheel/torque converter, and tightened one of the bolts that were within reach, moved maybe 1/8th of a turn. (I started and moved the car a dozen times before this, within the week)

Then, out of nowhere, when I tried to start the car to get it off the lift, I turned the key and the starter made the horrible noise of it turning but the engine not turning...

SO I thought I lost the old starter. Took it off, took it to the parts store, it passed the test, still got a new one, put it on, and NOW sometimes it has the right spacing and grabs and starts, some times it misses and just grinds metal off the teeth...

Long story short: somehow I "warped" the flywheel, making it out of round, and now the starter is 'sometimes' aligned correctly, and sometimes not - I can't get the gap perfect to 'always' work...

I'm looking for some Seasoned advice here... the car was starting just fine before, when (I believe) I tightened that one bolt on the flywheel/converter... Could that really have warped that old flywheel?

Engine specs: 350 block, Eagle 383 stroker kit w/ steel flywheel. TH350 auto trans.

If that's the case, I want to get a new, good, aftermarket, high-torque starter, instead of the parts-store junk (that doesn't align to the bolt holes good enough for my preference) - which one should I get?!

78C10 sleeper 06-23-2013 08:33 PM

Does it have a support bracket on the end facing the front of the car? If not it can move around and jump teeth. Mine started acting up one time so I replaced it and it stoped then about a week later it started grinding agin. so I had my friend hit the key while I watched it and the starter was jumping around and skiping teeth. So I made a bracket and two years later it hasn't miss a beat. The bracket goes from the starter to the motor mount. If that is your problem the I can give u more details about the bracket.

killeratrod 06-23-2013 09:39 PM

why would you only tighten one bolt on the flywheel ? Check all of them now.

stratt134 06-24-2013 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 78C10 sleeper (Post 1687872)
Does it have a support bracket on the end facing the front of the car? If not it can move around and jump teeth...

I got a video of the starter and flywheel in action - the starter doesn't seem to be moving - the flywheel seems to be "out of round" somehow now.. I will post the video when I get it uploaded

Quote:

Originally Posted by killeratrod (Post 1687899)
why would you only tighten one bolt on the flywheel ? Check all of them now.

I know.. At the time I didn't think the bolt I "checked" was loose enough to make me want to check the other 2. I'm pretty sure I have checked them since having this problem.. but I will double check them next time I am under the car.

What is the reliable aftermarket starter that people usually recommend? I want to replace this generic junk I have. Plus the headers will probably take it out soon anyways.

NEW INTERIORS 06-24-2013 09:24 AM

Well if you only tighten one bolt,, Your flywheel will be out of round for sure... As far as the starter to buy.. I only use these starters and had good luck with them all so far.. Used them on my sbc and bigger motors as well.. Great price too..

http://www.ebay.com/itm/130587673522...84.m1423.l2649

78C10 sleeper 06-24-2013 01:26 PM

Get a new flexplate and put it on and be sure the starter is engaging the flexplate properly and of course shim it and also get some nice bolts like ARP. But tighting that one bolt shouldn't have thrown it off that much unless the others are severely loose.

stratt134 06-25-2013 09:36 AM

Here is a video of the killer action going on under my Nova :evil:


Seems like the starter only hits in certain parts to me... weird :confused:

NEW INTERIORS 06-25-2013 10:02 AM

Them New starters are the problem..;)

stratt134 06-25-2013 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NEW INTERIORS (Post 1688336)
Them New starters are the problem..;)

:confused:

Project89 06-25-2013 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stratt134 (Post 1688338)
:confused:

hes refering to all the reman ones u get from the local parts store , mine didnt have enough engagement without any shims, right now i have the outer bolt shimmed with an 1/8th inch shim and its still shy of having the right mesh.
probably needs another 1/16th worth of shim

this is the 3rd starter ive had i made them warrenty the first 2 and all 3 same issue, its like they cut the mating surface on the starter were it meets the block

Project89 06-25-2013 12:45 PM

i meant to say its like they cut the mouting surface on an angle or something

NEW INTERIORS 06-25-2013 12:48 PM

I fought this on about five cars or so,, Before I realized what was going on.. Keep buying them starters and you will keep fighting the same problem for a long time.... Been there, Done that..

Project89 06-25-2013 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NEW INTERIORS (Post 1688398)
I fought this on about five cars or so,, Before I realized what was going on.. Keep buying them starters and you will keep fighting the same problem for a long time.... Been there, Done that..

i agree i fought mine for over a year and just now got it to work, my next starter will be on of those pgm ones u recommended

stratt134 06-25-2013 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NEW INTERIORS (Post 1688398)
I fought this on about five cars or so,, Before I realized what was going on.. Keep buying them starters and you will keep fighting the same problem for a long time.... Been there, Done that..

I'm going to order a new starter soon regardless... but do you think that will fix the issue? I'm assuming there is still a problem with the flywheel ?

Thanks for the help everyone :thumbup:

Project89 06-25-2013 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stratt134 (Post 1688424)
I'm going to order a new starter soon regardless... but do you think that will fix the issue? I'm assuming there is still a problem with the flywheel ?

Thanks for the help everyone :thumbup:

u will have to inspect the flexplate and see how much damage to the teeth there are.

i will say my starter did exactly what ur did in the video and i was able to put a new starter in shimmed one side without changing the flexplate as i didnt let it grind enough to adversly grind away the teeth on the flexplate


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