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Old 05-04-2009, 09:13 PM
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"Urethane" doesn't cure

Last year I purchased a BC/CC "kit" from Xtreme 9000 auto finishes through EBay. The seller had a great feedback record, so I felt pretty confident in my purchase. Now it looks like they may have closed the doors and left no forwarding address, much less tech support.
Here's my delima.
The primer/sealer and the base came with reducer that was to be mixed with the paint and everything would be good (or so it seemed). I assumed that the catalist was premixed in the reducer. Twice, I've painted parts, but even after days of time to set, you can still scrape all the way to the original finish using just your thumbnail.

Suspecting that the paint was not being catalyzed, yesterday I used some old Sherwin Williams activator and mixed a little of the primer and coated the back side of a part. After a couple of hours, I could still wash the primer off using cheap lacquer thinner, but today, it is fully cured and won't wipe off.

Any thoughts about what I should do to make this paint work? Looks like I'll be sanding or wiping the primer off of the whole freaking car?

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If its something of value, Id remove it all, scrap the cheap **** and spray a quality product from a reputable company.

If the material you have sprayed on the car is not drying, you really have no choice but to remove it. Even if it does 'dry' Id suspect any solvents from topcoat material will cause the uncatalyzed undercoat to wrinkle.
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You could try putting heat to it (using some halogen lights placed a couple feet from the panel(s) or other source of heat) to see if it will kick. However, I think most of the seasoned veterans on here will probably recommend stripping off what you have and shooting a better product.
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Your catalyst or activator and reducer are completely different materials..if the material is not kicking for you then you may have bad activator..it should kick within about 20 minutes or so when you shoot the paint..think collision shop where the car needs to be done post haste..you may have gotten burnt on this deal..this is why we recommend good product from good jobbers..Sorry..

With the products that I use I can shoot primer and by the time I get my gun cleaned and take a short break I can sand..same with base coat and clear coat..Once the car is prepped ( all the metal work and blocking..the hard part) the car can be painted complete in a days time..

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Last year I purchased a BC/CC "kit" from Xtreme 9000 auto finishes through EBay.
Depending on how much time has passed, you can try to contest it through eBay and/or PayPal.

They require a hold on some of the business' funds for a certain length of time to prevent scammers to hit and run.

Might be worth looking in to, but you're still gonna be out all your labor.
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Last year I purchased a BC/CC "kit" from Xtreme 9000 auto finishes through EBay.
Depending on how much time has passed, you can try to contest it through eBay and/or PayPal.

They require a hold on some of the business' funds for a certain length of time to prevent scammers to hit and run.

If you paid w/a CC they will let you contest it as well, within certain time constraints.

Might be worth looking in to, but you're still gonna be out all your labor.
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Thank you all.
You're right about cure time. The DuPont urethanes that I've used before cured in short order and DuPont even recommends sanding before it gets rock hard.

The project is a 90 Camaro that I picked up cheap with the intention of giving it a good interior and decent exterior face lift, slipping in an LT1 and turning it. However, these days leaving the 3.1 V6 in it seems like the smart thing do.

I've resigned myself to removing the primer, but I was hoping to salvage the base that I have. The cc is Xtreme (5 Star) High Solid and seems to kick over just fine. So, I guess what I'm really looking for is a "universal" activator, if there is such a thing, since I have no way of knowing who actually manufactured the paint.

Thanks, again.
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Old 05-05-2009, 02:15 PM
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I'd be trashing that stuff! I wouldn't even think about using it.

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I know your getting a Hundred Opinions But base will cure on its own without activator..even the stuff that needs it.
I have taken the paint out of the can....small amounts and just coated a piece of metal with it to see the color before spraying and it hardens on its own without activator (paint requiring Activator)
Are you sure your not having a substrate problem ?

It may be the paint or Activator they sent..But that is rare

Did the paint you spilled on the outside of the can cure ?

I would check all variables

I hope you work it out

As for Xtreme they still have the ebay store and the phone number is good
there website is still good and that phone number works

Good Luck!!


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