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Old 01-15-2008, 08:20 AM
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US EPA regulations - comments on editorial from Hemmings Classic Car

Does anybody know anything about this? Another active member at IMOA's forums posted the following:

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The February 2008 issue of HEMMINGS CLASSIC CAR has an editorial by the Editor-In-Chief Richard Lentinello about coming regulations from the US EPA that will pretty well end the hobbiest's ability to strip and finish his own car. I highly recommend that you get a copy of the magazine and read it. He points out that the regulations apply to paint stripping operations using Methylene chloride strippers, suface coating operations that involve paints that use Metal HAP compounds (Like metalic paints), and autobody refinishing.
He points out that the really scarry part is the following paragraph, which I quote from his column:
"Area sources are those that have the potential to emit less than 10 tons of a single toxic air pollutant or less than 25 tons of any combination of toxic air pollutants. If sources emit more than these amounts, they are called "major" sources." That pretty well covers all of us.
By 2011, you will need a special filtered booth, and a permit to even buy any paint that emits VOC (Volitile Organic compounds). Currently, the base minimum qualifying booth alone costs a bit over $100,000, plus installation. And for it to be certified, you and your beer drinking buddies can't get together and install it yourselves, you have to have the "certified crew" do the job. I checked with DeVilbis before I wrote this.
Not only is the auto hobby effected, but if you think jobs are moving off shore now, just wait until all the little factories all over the country discover that the open faced spray booth with some fiber glass furnace filters to catch the particulate has to be replaced at a cost of more than $100 grand for each one, and see what happens. The DeVilbis sales rep was rather candid when he stated that he fears that this will destroy his business--instead of investing several hundred thousand dollars in new finishing operations, many small factories will simply move their production that needs a finish out of the country, and become importers.
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re: US EPA regulations - comments on editorial from Hemmings Classic Car

One thing to consider is that the paint mfr's are reformulating paint materials to meet the new regs and are well aware of this..The other thing is the enforcement is the job of the states and most states have rules so small users such as the one man shops and hobbyists are not severely impacted by all of this..

Personal examples is the the products I use harden into a "hockey puck" which is no longer considered hazardous waste..the masking paper and tape with dried paint is not hazardous waste..I am now using a product made from recycled glass to blast with..works just fine is cheap and does not trip the triggers of the feds. Here a person has to make 200 lbs a month in hazardous waste to even have to file a report and that can cover a fairly active painter if he takes some common sense steps to run a clean operation..

I do not see any reason for any of us to panic over this at all as we will continue to do what we do..

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re: US EPA regulations - comments on editorial from Hemmings Classic Car

Also dupont and probably others are working on water based automotive paints for this exact problem.
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re: US EPA regulations - comments on editorial from Hemmings Classic Car

This has been going on now for some time. If you notice on the can of paint that you get at the supplier, it states "For Professional Use Only". It's only a matter of time before you will have to have a Certificate of Training to buy any automotive paint. Thanks to SEMA, it won't be for a long time yet.

The big targets are the Professional Autobody Shops. And that is the little shops vs the big chains that wants to run the little guy out of business.
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re: US EPA regulations - comments on editorial from Hemmings Classic Car

I have been buying automotive paint for years, and can't remember not seeing the "For professional use only" on a can. It would not surprise me to see them requiring that the "professional painters" be "licensed" or "certified" in some way, eventually.

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The regulation in question is the National Emissions Standard for Hazardous Air Pollutants (NESHAP) for Paint Stripping and Misc. Surface Coating. The text of the rule as published in the Federal Register can be found at http://www.epa.gov/EPA-AIR/2008/Jan...y-09/a24718.pdf .

Reading this rule, one of two things must be true.

1. In keeping with most magazine lead times, Mr. Lentinello wrote his editorial long before the rule was printed on 1/9/08.

2. Mr. Lentinello is illiterate.

The rule states : The final subpart does not apply to any of the following activities listed in § 63.11169:
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Surface coating or paint stripping performed by individuals on their personal vehicles, possessions, or property, either as a hobby or for maintenance of their personal vehicles, possessions, or property. This subpart also does not apply when these operations are performed by individuals for others without compensation. An individual who spray applies surface coating of more than two motor vehicles or pieces of mobile equipment per year is subject to the requirements in this subpart that pertain to motor vehicle and mobile equipment surface coating regardless of whether compensation is received.

So, if you paint less than two vehicles per year, and don't get paid or otherwise compensated for it, the rule/limit does not apply to you. If your operating a business out of your garage painting cars, then it does - and it should, IMHO.

As far as the worry about the term "area source", and area source is a grouping or contiguous area of air pollution emission. For example, an exhaust from a single paint booth is a point source, the total emissions from a manufacturing facility, including any paint booths, would be an area source. Hobby painters spread across the country does not qualify as an area source.
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re: US EPA regulations - comments on editorial from Hemmings Classic Car

That's the kind of information I was looking for, and it adresses the part about having to use a qualified paint booth, but does this have the potential to affect the availability to the hobbyist of the materials (paint) necessary for painting? That document, like most legislative documents, is no fun to read and it doesn't seem to search quite right.
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