Originally Posted by tbrown8338
will hurt if i used both
The O ring is used on the stem when the valve assembly includes a stamped metal shroud under the retainer, covering the top of the spring and a coil or two on the side, it diverts oil away from the guide. The purpose of the O ring is to keep oil that puddles in the locks and retainer doesn't run down the stem.
The umbrella seal replaces both the metal shield and the O ring providing both the functions of diverting the oil away from the guide and stopping its flow down the stem.
There is no need for both the O ring and the umbrella seal.
If you're running a higher lift cam or 1.6 rockers check the clearance with the valve fully open between the bottom of the retainer and top of the seal. If the seal gets squished in there it function is lost.