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Old 05-26-2011, 05:49 AM
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van to van conversion

just bought a '91 G20 van to take appart and use frame as base to put my 49 panel van on to it.
looking forward to some real technical problems and hopefully solutions
why the G20 frame? i don't live in the states where S10 frames are cheap, wanted a V8 in the panel and just like the smooth ride of the G20 air ride system.
feel free to post your comments, I'll sure read them and hope to get some good tech tips to end my project in a good way.

will be sending some pics soon

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Sounds like a plan to me..Only concern is the track width and a tape measure will tell the tail there..you may wish to consider just using the front crossmember and rear section of the van chassis and connecting the 2 with square tubing to get a chassis that is closer to the original..just a thought..

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You do know that the G-series vans are unibody, right? There was a cab/chassis version with a full frame, as used in ambulances and box trucks, but the basic van version does not have a separate frame.
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My1995 G20 has a full frame and it's not an ambulance or box truck.
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My1995 G20 has a full frame and it's not an ambulance or box truck.
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Both old and new body styles were available in the mid-1990s. The new body style DOES have a full frame and looks like this:



The old body style is unibody and looks like this:

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Old 05-26-2011, 01:32 PM
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Even if you have the one with a frame it is going to be waaay too wide. They are several inches wider track than a full sized pickup.
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I don't believe in frame swaps at all, they usually end up a mess and it saves you nothing.

That aside, if I were to do a frame swap, it wouldn't be that one, that frame is all wrong for your vintage Chevy.

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thx for the quick answers guys, i realy don't know if mine is a full frame g20. the swap was somthing that crossed my mind but isn't why i bought the g van. bought it to use the engine, and tranny. it will be easier to just put in the engine and tranny, i think.
problem over here is, we are not allowed to cut or weld frames like you guys do. so i'll have to fabricate some very beautyfull brackets for the engine swap. but that won't be a problem two years ago i've put a mercedes diesel engine in a dodge400 firetruck. work perfect, had to deal with lots of metric to inch conversions dough.

if any ideas come up, help in any way is always more than welcome.
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Some of those old Chevy vans have a good steering column for using in a hotrod. I parted a late70s model and it had a nice clean tilt column without the key switch in it.
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There are a ZILLION (well maybe a Kizillan) motor mount kits, suspension kits, A/C kits, rear end kits, kits upon kits for that truck! You don't need to swap the frame to get a wonderful driving truck.

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There are a ZILLION (well maybe a Kizillan) motor mount kits, suspension kits, A/C kits, rear end kits, kits upon kits for that truck! You don't need to swap the frame to get a wonderful driving truck.

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Easy Brian, I can see the hair on the back of your neck standing up. Same way it does on my neck when someone says they're gonna chop the top. AAAARRRRGG, I hate chopped tops!!!!!!! Monkey see, monkey do.
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What make is the 49? What's wrong with the frame it has? Maybe just a front suspension swap would be the best choice. Or upgrade the brakes and springs on your original set up. A nice set of teflon button insert springs, tube shocks and good radial tires might do the trick. I have owned and driven many old 50s solid axle trucks and I think the solid axle is what gives them their charm.
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problem over here is, we are not allowed to cut or weld frames like you guys do.
So idiot bureaucrats are a global resource...

How do these geniuses think the OEMs make frames in the first place?
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Old 05-27-2011, 08:36 AM
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Easy Brian, I can see the hair on the back of your neck standing up. Same way it does on my neck when someone says they're gonna chop the top. AAAARRRRGG, I hate chopped tops!!!!!!! Monkey see, monkey do.
And I agree with you! Chopping some nice original body is hard for me to take too, there are plenty out there chopped you could buy, why cut up another. But the first thought I had when I read your post is the "rat rods" that are chopped. Think of all the tops that are chopped out there, roll the cars around in your head that are chopped, some are very nicely done and others like the half chopped, over chopped, simply "chopped up" bodies of some of the rat rods makes me ill, this beautiful old body survived all these years and you had to go chop it with the grace of a pit bull tearing up the neighbors Chihuahua. That is how I see most frame swaps. I have looked under them at swap meets and car shows, most are hacked over messes where the guy was simply trying to save work, money, or time NONE of which he saved and ended up with junk.

The last meet I went to there was a Ford F-1 with a Toyota frame under it I believe it was Toyota at least. It was BEEE-U-TEE-FULL! It was done with skill and passion to make it right and it was very nice. It looked like it belonged there under that F-1, not like a placenta like your average frame swap.

When a guy comes on Hotrodders who is new to the game and asks about frame swaps it makes me cringe because it is looked at by so many as simply a "swap". "What frame fits under an XXXX?" Like there is some frame that you simply bolt under the XXXX!

Steven, I can't make this clear enough, this rant isn't directed at you, it is these frame swaps in general. There are SO MANY cars that have been ruined by this "fad", and it's a shame.

One of the reasons it's a shame is that the poor guy who started the swap often gives up because things aren't working and the half hacked mess ends up at the local swap meet. Where as improving the suspension and driving the car and seeing how it drives often sells the builder as being what he is after and the car gets done, instead of scrapped.

A frame swap is a HUGE undertaking often requiring very difficult modifications that quickly get over the head the newbe in the garage (not talking to you, just frame swaps in general). And it would blow you away at how nice that panel would drive with a Mustang II front and new rear leaves and bushings and such, they really drive sweet. And it doesn't cost you any more money or time in most cases.

Brian
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Here are a few photos of that F-1. They don't show much but the rear was particularly impressive with a nice piece of tubing being used to lengthen the frame a little, moving the rear axle back by simply moving the front spring perch back, very nicely done. The front you can see that just a little trimming was needed on the aprons.

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