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Old 09-03-2008, 04:48 PM
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26531610/ another American Company gone along with the jobs..

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I guess we will have to buy old used ones
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Old 09-03-2008, 05:02 PM
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If there is a bright side to this, they at least are admitting the "why" as to moving operations to China. And I quote, "to stay competitive". Unlike so many other companies that are trying to hide it...... *hint, hint Eaton Compressor.....



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I will never buy a new one again, this makes me sick.

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"To stay competative". What's that tell you about the average Americain consumer?

To me, they'd rather by Wal-Mart brand because they are 5 dollars cheaper, than buy something known for quality.
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As long as people keep buying this Chineese crap they will continue to thrive. The American public for the most part is just a band of idiots that look at price only. Quality is secondary to most people now. it is sad but it is far from over. This country has little industry left and now the Indians are starting to take over all the high tech jobs. Why, because they are willing to work and work for less money. America has become lazy
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it's just a small window into the near future. .. Vice grip probably is not the first company to move to China to stay competitive.. if you figure, there are many Vise Grip copy cats, you can get a small set of the copy cats from Walmart for $1.50. you can buy other copy cats from places like HF all the way to Aldi food stores, and all for less than 1/2 the cost of a genuine Vise Grip, lock jaw plier... of course the Vise grip is a much better tool and that is where the extra cost comes from, but the problem is, many ppl do not see it that way... I see this type of thing as an up and coming cycle.. Vise grip, when made in china, could sell for less than they are, and still make a profit.. so another US company making Lock jaw pliers will loose profits, and then they will have to move to China.. this is what is bound to happen... and all that we can hope for is that production costs go up from too many factories running in china ( bottleneck on steel production/ shipment ect... ) and it becomes cheaper for the companies to move back to US for manufacture.. but that is an optomistic dream
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"To stay competative". What's that tell you about the average Americain consumer?

To me, they'd rather by Wal-Mart brand because they are 5 dollars cheaper, than buy something known for quality.
actully walmart brand lock jaw pliers are approx $15-$30 cheaper.
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Corporate greed is all it is, they don't give a @#$% about Americans, all they care about is how much more money they can make. I hope they choke on their profits.

BTW, I will never buy another Vice-Grip product again until they return making their products in the U.S.
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Couple quotes:

Out of a job yet? Keep buying foreign.

And my favorite:

Dollars are like votes, except that they actually COUNT.

And my spin on Wal-Mart, kind of a spin off of their very own slogan: Wal-Mart - Lowering your standards, EVERYDAY.

Buckle up.
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[QUOTE=schnitz]If there is a bright side to this, they at least are admitting the "why" as to moving operations to China. And I quote, "to stay competitive".



They say: "to stay competitive".

Lets see if the price comes down or not.
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The American public for the most part is just a band of idiots that look at price only. Quality is secondary to most people now.

Just about sums it up. We seem to be picking up speed in a race to the bottom where everything is a throwaway piece of junk but hey, it's cheap so just buy another one. I wish we could out source our politicians & CEO's and keep the average guy working.
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The quality likely will be poor after a while. They won't want to send USA tech guys there to monitor steel quality on a steady basis, nor plating quality...and even the quality of the spring inside.


I am sick of the offshore stuff.


Just replaced 4 wheel cylinders on a 64 el camino (parts from Carquest) . one front and one rear would not fit against the backing plates. One had to be ground down, and the other one needed the bolt holes filed offset in the backing plate........the bleeder on the front one is hitting the spindle, so you can feel the bleeder strain as you try to loosen it. The other 2 fit fine.

they can't do anything right, "they" meaning where ever these were made
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Boy oh boy, I guess I failed at the real aim of the sarcasm I tried to pull off. I'll take more time to explain my points next time.

I'll be plenty happy to keep the half dozen pairs of 10 plus year old Vise Grips I have, and I'll not be buying any new ones in the future. They made a good product (o.k., a great product.. ) here in the states, but now the execs see the possibilities of increased profits from foreign soil, and we will see the drop in quaility. Fair? No. Sign of the times? A resounding yes.

We as Americans, and I mean each and every one of us, are ultimately responsible for this spiral we are in. We are now sleeping in the bed we made, but we can let our voices be heard. Lets pull the sheets from our eyes and take our land back. Lets spend our money on the higher quality items made by our fellow countrymen. We have a right to demand a high quality product for our hard earned money. It's a right I've tried to focus my spending habits on by buying items that have a proven track record. For me, that's avoiding WallyWorld altogether (and to think I used to work at one-- picked my wife up at the one we both worked at...), and now I can cross off Irwin Tools from the mix of suppliers as well. My choice, after all it's still my money.



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Quality of Chineese products is in direct proportion with what the AMERICAN CUSTOMER asked the Chineese manufacturer to make. China produces a great number of AMERICAN tractors,(pay no attention to the color). They built a wall several centuries ago, still standing I believe. Vise grips or cheap substitutes are with my welding stuff, other than that I dont use 'em. Old time A&P mechanic saw a pair in my box and destroyed them with a grinder.
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