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Old 06-09-2005, 12:21 AM
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water based paint

Has anyone heard of this new water based car paint that has come out? I saw it in my new Hotrod magazine this month. It's supposed to not crack and chip and blah blah, not fade, etc... Just don't know if I would trust water based paint on my Camaro, I know the article said you definitely have to clearcoat (sounds like common sense on a water base to me...) anyway, I can't remember the name of the company that makes it right now though, the word "air" was in the name...What do you guys think?

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Several OEM car manufacturers have been using water based paint for a few years, supplied by DuPont. There are pro's and con's about it's use.

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Old 06-09-2005, 05:23 AM
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why would you want to use a water based paint your not in a VOC restricted area thats where that paint is only availble for use at the moment the quality of it very good and all but there jealous that we can still use the better paint and have it last a life time also water based was designed for the VOC restircted area such as LA california ... just use a good paint i recomend spies hecker for all my customers its the highest quaility out right now in my eyes and guns !!!
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could it possibly be createx auto air. They make custom paint and people airbrushing use it. I haven't used waterbased paint since we had to try it in techschool, and I didn't care for it. Also used some as an industrial painter. I myself prefer to use what I know will be durable and long lasting.
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[QUOTE=PaintTech Instructor]why would you want to use a water based paint your not in a VOC restricted area thats where that paint is only availble
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This is not true, different waterborne has been available since about the mid 80's in any part of the US. (IF! Your a paint rep you would know this)
This was brought over from Europe as they use a lot more than we do.
That was why PPG bought ICI was to get the Waterborne base system.
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for use at the moment the quality of it very good and all but there jealous that we can still use the better paint
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.If you think waterborne is a better paint you are sadly misguided.
PPG after the purchased ICI put a big marketing push on it to pay for investment. It was a major flop. Shops that put it in, shortly threw it out.
Will it work in your area with no humidity? Sure! Start getting 45% or higher and good luck so we just eliminated half of the USA.
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Now for my question:
Why is Spies better than Standox, Glaurit, or Debeers?
Or is this just a personal opinion because thats all you know how to spray?
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Old 06-09-2005, 08:22 AM
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Water based paints belong on houses, not cars

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This AutoAir paint is Water Base and must be used in a different manner then Traditional Solvent Base Coats. For instance this AutoAir must be heat - force dried between coats to evaporate the water. AutoAir does not make a Urethane Clear Coat and recommend most any brand as compatible. The Urethane CLEAR COAT must also be applied according to the AutoAir instructions for it to properly bond with the base coat. This is a very good color coating when used properly and as directed by the AutoAir Manufacturer. There are a lot of custom painters using this AutoAir Colors paint now and more trying it everyday. It is very affordable but again it requires different application procedures VS (Solvent Base Coats which are easier to apply in my opinion)
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http://www.autoaircolors.com/

http://www.autoaircolors.com/gallery.htm

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I've painted some test panels with AutoAirColors paint and it goes on nice! Spraying it is quite a departure from the usual though. You must follow AutoAir's directions or it will flop! I'm still considering it for a full paint job on my '47...

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auto air ...once you start airbrushing with the solvent base stuff you'll never go back to acrylics. i've not only used it through the airbrush but also did some parts with it awhile ago. its pretty much crap. its not much different than the stuff you airbrush t-shirts with. dont think i want that stuff on my car. the bond is real bad too, even with the additive. if i had to paint in my house or apartment and was forced to use it then it would get me by but other than that there is no reason at all it should be used. like stated before....waterbase belongs on walls not cars.
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well you know i hate typeing for one i like voice chat and help !! i worked for BARRETT PAINT SUPPLY here in reno nevada for 2 yrs as the outside sales and tech specialist cause i can walk in to any shop and fix what ever problem they have with paint most of the time is was a stupid mistake LOL !!! i have been out of paint for past year completelly had to take time off to take help relative thru bad time !! so yeah my expresion of how i explain ( problly sounds bad and cocky and not professional ) but this is first site ive seen in a long time that interested me back towards paint !! i will work on and thanks for saying hello and posting back Thanks for the ICI thatsit i just know the PING barnd golf clubs are painted with it and when i at the training center i painted my clubs and about 30 balls and not one has chipped or cracked so i say its pretty dam strong !! i have used all the paints and cost wise and simplexity of sytem i would recomend it to hot rod where the price of paint job is 10,000 - UP and yeas standox is the same paint but made from the not as pure chemicals as spies a small % difference sister company to spies ! i just like the ease and user friendlly aspect of it !!!! DAM I HATE TYPING rather voice but i do need to work on grammer !! I dont mean to sound rude or cocky so i haope i change first impression some of you might have
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[QUOTE=Paint Tech Instructor]:thumb up: well you know i hate typeing for one i like voice chat and help !! i worked for BARRETT PAINT SUPPLY here in reno nevada for 2 yrs as the outside sales and tech specialist cause i can walk in to any shop and fix what ever problem they have with paint most of the time is was a stupid mistake LOL !!!
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Right, we hear this every post you make.


Thanks for the ICI thatsit i just know the PING barnd golf clubs are painted with it and when i at the training center i painted my clubs and about 30 balls and not one has chipped or cracked so i say its pretty dam strong !!
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You can do that with 95% of the paints out There!
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yeas standox is the same paint but made from the not as pure chemicals as spies a small % difference sister company to spies !
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That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard!
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Oh did you forget to answer the question posed to you earlier??
Yep, because your a delivery driver not a tech rep or painter.
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Man, this thread has me confused!

At least I've been around long enough to know who to listen to. It makes me mad to think that someone who posts an honest question, looking for an honest answer but maybe hasn't been around long enough to know who to trust, is faced with so called "experts" that don't have a clue what they are talking about.

We should post a list of credible sources of advice as a sticky at the top of the forum, at least when it comes to paint and body. Advice you can ALWAYS trust starting with:

BarryK
MrCleanr6
302/Z28
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... the list goes on, when you've been around long enough you figure out who these people are.

Painttechinstructor, if you could really walk into any shop and fix whatever problem they had with paint, you wouldn't be posting the kind of garbage we see in this thread. Really, give it up.

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Gees Rich,
Don't listen to me! I'm a newbie at paint. Thanks for the positive opinion though!

I can help with banging metal, but when it comes to paint, I can only relay what I have learned to be true. By NO means a painter!

To add to your list:

Brian Martin: Martinsenior

Randy Ferguson- Metal Master Extrodinaire (you have to see him in action)



(I'm not in their league, but Thanks, though!)
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Well, judging from your run down in the painttech thread, I'd say you deserve to be on that list, you could give anyone the advice you posted there and no one would know you weren't a painter. I'm not either, but I've come to the same conclusions you have just from studying the information in the forum and I feel more than confident enough to tackle my own car, and offer other people help when I can.

You're very right about Brian Martin and Randy Ferguson, those two individuals, with your input along the way too are the main reason my '54 Chevy has progressed from a rust bucket sitting in a field with a collapsed roof into what it looks like in my project journal. Randy convinced me to buy a set of body hammers, and try my best to metal finish as close as I can and use as little filler as possible, and as soon as I tried, I found out how fun it was and how easy it can be with the right instruction.

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