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Old 10-09-2007, 06:12 PM
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Weeping Head Gaskets

I wanted to see if any of you've experienced SCE ICS Titan Head gaskets leaking before startup. Here's the gaskets I used link

I filled the engine and radiator 2 days ago and planned to fire the engine for the first time this weekend. I noticed very slight leaks from the head gaskets on both sides.

It's a new aluminum SBC decked. New AFR heads checked for flatness. ARP studs torqued to 65ft lbs. & re-torqued days later.

I drained the water back out so I wouldn't contaminate the oil. I also drained a little oil from it to see if there was water in it and there isn't. I just hope I don't have some cylinders with water in them.

My question is, would you just pull the heads or do as SCE recommended and finish the job, bring engine up to full temp. and then let cool completely and re-torque the head bolts.

I'd really appreciate the help.
jim

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Old 10-09-2007, 06:24 PM
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Do as reccommended....they are not going to seal untill you get them hot and your re-torque needs to be done after its run also.
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Old 10-09-2007, 06:29 PM
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make sure you are not bottoming out on the stud and that the head is getting torqued and not the stud.i've had this happen once on a small block ford. anyway i would would check cuz are's did not leak tell we sprayed the motor and it lifted the head.
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Thanks for the reply Henry and nitro... I appreciate it. I'm sure the studs weren't too long...barely long enough as you can see from second picture. I sure hope this thing seals up....kinda makes me want to weep too.

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not to be a wise guy but you did put sealer on the studs going into the block.
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Old 10-09-2007, 07:51 PM
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not to be a wise guy but you did put sealer on the studs going into the block.
no sir.....they are blind holes and do not enter water jackets, I just used a little moly and ran them in finger tight. thanks nitro
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May I ask, Why are you using copper head gaskets ?
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May I ask, Why are you using copper head gaskets ?
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If you look at picture number 1, you can see a wire around each cylinder built into the head gasket. It's supposed to provide better sealing, similar to o-ringing block which I didn't need/want to do. I'm using a 144 cu in roots blower and 175hp shot of nitrous and wanted the added sealing capability. If you look at the website link about the gaskets in my first post, you can see a blow up picture of the features of this gasket type if you're interested. It also says they don't leak
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I would recommend a FelPro MLS ( Multi-Layered-Steel ) #1142 or #1143 depending on the bore size. They are engineered for extreme cylinder pressure and head lift which is a by product of said. They are used successfully in blown and turbo engines that produce 2000+ HP everyday, and do not require any steel or copper alloy O-rings in the block or heads.
They also come with our special Perma-Torque sealers on the gasket surfaces which elimanate fluid leaks. Another advantage to our MLS design is that the block will have even torque stress, which holds the cylinder walls straighter which produces better and more even ring seal.

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I would recommend a FelPro MLS ( Multi-Layered-Steel ) #1142 or #1143 depending on the bore size. They are engineered for extreme cylinder pressure and head lift which is a by product of said. They are used successfully in blown and turbo engines that produce 2000+ HP everyday, and do not require any steel or copper alloy O-rings in the block or heads.
They also come with our special Perma-Torque sealers on the gasket surfaces which elimanate fluid leaks. Another advantage to our MLS design is that the block will have even torque stress, which holds the cylinder walls straighter which produces better and more even ring seal.

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Glenn,
Thank you. If these bit$hes don't seal up, I'll look into this gasket you mentioned. Hopefully it wasn't $200 down the drain.
Jim
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Jim,
I wish you good luck.
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Hi Jim, the gaskets I use are Fel-Pro 1014 with steam holes.
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Hi Jim, the gaskets I use are Fel-Pro 1014 with steam holes.
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After running a few aluminum blocks and driving one on the street I'd have to say you want to tear it down and locate the leak point. That is a bad sign, in my opinion, that you are leaking water with the engine just sitting there. That would not be normal. Something is amiss.
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After running a few aluminum blocks and driving one on the street I'd have to say you want to tear it down and locate the leak point. That is a bad sign, in my opinion, that you are leaking water with the engine just sitting there. That would not be normal. Something is amiss.
Thanks. I got the impression from the SCE (the gasket maker) that my situation is not that uncommon. The first question he asked was "How much is it leaking?" I don't know whether or not to believe the guy but after Henry Highrise's comment and the manufacturer's comments, I'm inclined to give it a try and see if a re-torque after a full heat cycle will work. I do appreciate your feedback and experience though. You may very well be right. I think I already know where the leak is coming from, two small holes between and at the bottom of the blocks deck. I'll report back with the results for those that give a rats butt.
Jim

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