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Old 07-18-2003, 01:35 AM
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Very bad idea. Get your gears, then when you can afford it get the posi. There is no other option and for the street you won't like a spool at all and they are illegal as well.
ie: rain+turn+spool=ditch

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worse yet is causing a collision with another vehicle and hurting or killing someone because of your own ignorance and lack of regard for your own life and safety.
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if you weld it up right it should last as long as the rear end. there are tons of 4wheelers driving around with welded rear ends that don't break and they put a lot more stress on the axles with big tires. the trick is to weld it up right. which means not to much heat and don't weld the spider gears to the carrier just weld the spider gears together. go search Pirate4x4.Com Bulletin Board to find out all about welded rear ends and how to do it right. the driving characteristics are not that bad with a welded rear.

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NOT THAT BAD! I already told a story of my ex-wife in a welded spider Ford in a previous post, I will state it again, even a small s curve in the road can be treacherous if weather conditions are not ideal, Car with woman driver-goes across traffic clipping oncomming car(not hard) because of morning dew on pavement, car then goes thru a yard and hits car parked in driveway, nobody hurt but costs are more than $10,000.00, wife gets tickets (not having car under controll, unsafe equipment) (car had non DOT rear tires on it) car gets impounded, Insurance company says you knowingly operated an unsafe vehicle, soo long sucker. They are not responsible, no coverage. THINK ABOUT IT BEFORE YOU DO IT!! been there.
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Old 07-20-2003, 06:34 PM
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I recommend this practice for demolition derby cars and that's about it.
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Lets see..... By my count......21 against. 2, including myself, feel it is an acceptable practice for a Derby car, and 1 is in faver of welding your rear....The new guy making his first post......
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Just wanted to drop a note here, we used to weld the spiders in GM 10 bolts under our Pro-stock dirt track racers. Actually, they held up very well, only broke one set in a 5 year span. But they have to be done correctly because the uneven heat does affect the strength. But most importantly, like I said, we did it in our race cars. I would never, never do it on a streeter. Unless you never had to turn... Everyone above has it right, welding the spiders or even a spool are not things you want to do to a driver.
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If welding the spiders works so well then why would they not come from the factory like that, hell why would they even put spiders in???

Because a car needs to have the ability to allow one tire to turn faster to make any other angle other than straight. Short sweet and simple. Save up, get the posi unit, do it right or do it twice your choice, but there may be no second time if you bust up the car 'cause you lose it in the rain at 60 mph on a simple curve.

Just 'cause one of the guys in your mechanics class said it would work doesn't mean it will. Read the books, dig for stuff, 'sides research your rear end on the net and try to find a posi carrier unit or something like that at a junk yard.

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let me explain not to bad. the tires might chirp when you make slow speed turns, like in a parking lot. but on the road driving you can't tell because you are going fast enough that the tire just cuffs along. there are a ton of 4wheel drive out there will spools or welded rears that don't seem to have a problem skidding off the road in a turn. and if you don't like it you can take it out and get a posi or locker.
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NOT THAT BAD! I already told a story of my ex-wife in a welded spider Ford in a previous post, I will state it again, even a small s curve in the road can be treacherous if weather conditions are not ideal, Car with woman driver-goes across traffic clipping oncomming car(not hard) because of morning dew on pavement, car then goes thru a yard and hits car parked in driveway, nobody hurt but costs are more than $10,000.00, wife gets tickets (not having car under controll, unsafe equipment) (car had non DOT rear tires on it) car gets impounded, Insurance company says you knowingly operated an unsafe vehicle, soo long sucker. They are not responsible, no coverage. THINK ABOUT IT BEFORE YOU DO IT!! been there.
ouch!!!...now you got me thinking...I use McCreary's on the back of my chevelle, are they D.O.T aprroved? I assumed they are but If Im going out crusing and end up crashing, Id like to know if my insurance is going to cover it...and by the way, I was thinking of adding a mini-spool or welding the spider gears in my S-10 untill I started reading all these posts....I dang sure hate to spend the money, but Im gonna have to save up for a locker...Ive been wanting to try one of those "air locker's" for awhile now. so now I have a good excuse!!!...lol
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Old 07-22-2003, 07:11 PM
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McCrearys are not DOT, I had FIRESTONE indys also not DOT
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NAIRB'S TEN COMMANDMENTS

THOU SHALT NOT PUT IN TOO BIG OF A CAM
THOU SHALT NOT RUN 12.0:1 ON PUMP GAS
THOU SHALT NOT WELD SPIDER GEARS ON THE STREET
THOU SHALT NOT STEAL THE PARTS OF THEY NEIGHBOR'S CAR
THOU SHALT NOT PUT A DIAMOND STICKPIN ON A HOG'S BUTT
THOU SHALT NOT PUT TOGETHER A DIRTY ENGINE
THOU SHALT NOT RUN A DOMINATOR ON A 283
THOU SHALT NOT USE A 300 NITROUS SHOT ON THY STOCK 305
THOU SHALT NOT USE CHEVY PARTS IN A FORD
THOU SHALT NOT BUILD RICE
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Geta posi

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2 things;

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Lets see..... By my count......21 against. 2, including myself, feel it is an acceptable practice for a Derby car, and 1 is in faver of welding your rear....The new guy making his first post......
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THOU SHALT NOT PUT IN TOO BIG OF A CAM
THOU SHALT NOT RUN 12.0:1 ON PUMP GAS
THOU SHALT NOT WELD SPIDER GEARS ON THE STREET
THOU SHALT NOT STEAL THE PARTS OF THEY NEIGHBOR'S CAR
THOU SHALT NOT PUT A DIAMOND STICKPIN ON A HOG'S BUTT
THOU SHALT NOT PUT TOGETHER A DIRTY ENGINE
THOU SHALT NOT RUN A DOMINATOR ON A 283
THOU SHALT NOT USE A 300 NITROUS SHOT ON THY STOCK 305
THOU SHALT NOT USE CHEVY PARTS IN A FORD
THOU SHALT NOT BUILD RICE
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Quote:
THOU SHALT NOT PUT IN TOO BIG OF A CAM
THOU SHALT NOT RUN 12.0:1 ON PUMP GAS
THOU SHALT NOT WELD SPIDER GEARS ON THE STREET
THOU SHALT NOT STEAL THE PARTS OF THEY NEIGHBOR'S CAR
THOU SHALT NOT PUT A DIAMOND STICKPIN ON A HOG'S BUTT
THOU SHALT NOT PUT TOGETHER A DIRTY ENGINE
THOU SHALT NOT RUN A DOMINATOR ON A 283
THOU SHALT NOT USE A 300 NITROUS SHOT ON THY STOCK 305
THOU SHALT NOT USE CHEVY PARTS IN A FORD
THOU SHALT NOT BUILD RICE
Need I say more?
No!

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