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5window 01-20-2013 11:10 AM

What adhesive do I use on vinyl?
 
So, I am trying to figure out more on redoing my Model A's interior. I am now up to an adhesive choice. I will need to glue vinyl to panels and also glue the 4x4 vinyl headliner to the foam I already have, then the foam to the masonite liner that is already in the car. So headliner and side panels. I will not have access to a spray gun adhesive system.

At the moment, my local choices seem to be:
3M yellow super trim adhesive (spray can)
NAPA/Permatex Heavy Duty Carpet and Headline Adhesive (spray can)
Weldwood Contact Cement (brush-on)
Loctite 200 Spray Adhesive
3M Super 77
a vinyl supplier also suggested 3M 80-which I could order in aerosol cans

Advice/commentary would be appreciated. Thanks

duh57 01-20-2013 11:34 AM

Adhesive
 
Hello, I would use the 3M-90 or the 3M yellow if it comes in a spray. All the others would release in the Heat of the day, hope that helps.

DanTwoLakes 01-20-2013 11:34 AM

First of all, there is no glue you can buy at a home improvement store that is intended for use on a car interior, so stop looking at Home Depot.

This is an upholstery project that requires high heat resistance, and holding power. The best way to do that is to use bulk (in containers of a gallon or more) HHR (high heat resistant) spray grade (shoots out of a spray gun, not an aerosol) top and trim contact adhesive. My favorite is DAP Weldwood top and trim adhesive. There are other companies that make good adhesives, like 3-M, but the DAP is way less expensive. You will only find this in upholstery supply companies. Here is one place that has it on line: http://www.yourautotrim.com/noname37.html There is no aerosol on the market that will compete with a contact adhesive of this kind. One other caution: 3-M 77 does not work at all, period, it is terrible stuff. 3-M 08090 super trim adhesive in an aerosol is very good, but still not as good as spray grade stuff, and is also very expensive.

Look at this Wiki article, it will tell you everything you need to know: http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/w...ntact_adhesive The solvent for this stuff is mineral spirits, or Xylol. Xylol is more powerful than mineral spirits, but it's also at least twice as expensive.

5window 01-20-2013 12:35 PM

Thanks. I don't have a Home depot near me-I looked at NAPA and a couple of other parts stores.
The DAP Weldwood HHR Contact Cement you cited says that it may damage some vinyls, so how would I tell if my vinyl and this adhesive are compatible-before I invest in the glue and a spray gun system?

DanTwoLakes 01-20-2013 01:58 PM

I can't imagine any vinyl that would be damaged by it. I have used it for years and never had any problems. I think DAP is just covering their own *****.

duh57 01-20-2013 03:27 PM

I agree with Dan for using that glue it is cost effective, I have upholstered many aircraft interiors and certified and inspected them, and not allowed to use that glue because it is corrosive to aluminun. My favorite and expensive contact adhesive is 3M 1357, and FAA approved, great glue because i hate waiting for glue to setup, better have it right the first time. The worlds best glue.

NEW INTERIORS 01-20-2013 03:36 PM

I have to say..DAP Weldwood top and trim adhesive is the best out there..:thumbup:

jsm1847 01-20-2013 05:37 PM

I'm going to third the Dap Weldwood...
A few years ago, when starting the business, I was doing headliners, reglues, & mainly repairs. I used two or 3 different 3m products and they would fall off. I used the weldwood once, stuck like none other. It's cheap too...

ZoroZornes 01-20-2013 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 5window (Post 1636897)
So, I am trying to figure out more on redoing my Model A's interior. I am now up to an adhesive choice. I will need to glue vinyl to panels and also glue the 4x4 vinyl headliner to the foam I already have, then the foam to the masonite liner that is already in the car. So headliner and side panels. I will not have access to a spray gun adhesive system.

At the moment, my local choices seem to be:
3M yellow super trim adhesive (spray can)
NAPA/Permatex Heavy Duty Carpet and Headline Adhesive (spray can)
Weldwood Contact Cement (brush-on)
Loctite 200 Spray Adhesive
3M Super 77
a vinyl supplier also suggested 3M 80-which I could order in aerosol cans

Advice/commentary would be appreciated. Thanks

3M spray adhesive is great for headliners and vinyl . It is fast tacking and you should have a helper to hold up the material asyou spray in one squarefoot sections. a small soft paint roller will help keep out air bubbles. I have 35 yrs as an autobody tech,

5window 01-21-2013 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ZoroZornes (Post 1637068)
3M spray adhesive is great for headliners and vinyl . It is fast tacking and you should have a helper to hold up the material asyou spray in one squarefoot sections. a small soft paint roller will help keep out air bubbles. I have 35 yrs as an autobody tech,

Thanks for your input. I especially like the idea of applying adhesive as I go-I was trying to figure out how to spray the entire line, then fit it into the car without getting adhesive everywhere and still get the liner positioned correctly the first time.

chubbie 01-31-2013 11:39 AM

wish i had read this before i did my project:mad: i agree with the comment that NO rattle can will hold up in the heat. i learn by trial by fire

DanTwoLakes 01-31-2013 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 5window (Post 1637395)
Thanks for your input. I especially like the idea of applying adhesive as I go-I was trying to figure out how to spray the entire line, then fit it into the car without getting adhesive everywhere and still get the liner positioned correctly the first time.

You don't have to spray it, you can also brush it on.

5window 02-01-2013 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DanTwoLakes (Post 1641012)
You don't have to spray it, you can also brush it on.

Are you referring to the DAP Weldwood you recommended here? Do you know anyplace I could buy I quart? I probably would not use/waste 75% of a gallon doing one small Model A coupe interior. Thanks for your help.

DanTwoLakes 02-01-2013 08:34 AM

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Yes, DAP Weldwood Top and Trim adhesive. I would find an upholstery shop nearby and ask to buy a quart. I buy mine in 5 gallon buckets.

udtoy 02-02-2013 09:39 AM

I inquired of DAP last week on the Top & Trim Adhesive for use on Sintra board (PVC Sheets) which I am using for all of my interior panels. Jessie, one of their Product Specialists responded with: Unfortunately, we do not recommend the DAP Landau Top & Trim for applications involving PVC or plastics and it may damage some of these surfaces. Testing is recommended before using in a large scale application. Dan, I just read in this post and in a previous thread that you use this on PVC to foam, fabric, vinyl, and/or leather without an issue. Based on DAP's response, I was about to go out and buy traditional backer board and redo my panels... please tell me I don't have to do this! :)


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