[LupinusPectus]

every child is different and you have to know what works best.

The "Violence!" bull crap is annoying. Many a person got whacked whomped smacked and had a wooden spoon broken over their head *cough* and came out fine. Others came out bad.

I was hit, and yeah I'll be likely to hit my kids if it is what works. If it doesn't then there isn't much point to hitting them now is there? It's abotu what works, abuse and disipline are two very different things.

[BarryK]

Sound like her momma needs a beating first.

Sounds like a good Friday night project to get both of them in line.

[MARTINSR]

Originally Posted by LupinusPectus

"abuse and disipline are two very different things".

You are very right, a spank on the bottom is disipline and beating a four year old with a WEAPON is abuse.

We are talking about a thirty or forty pound little girl with a little bottom that is eight inches wide. We are talking about tiny little hips and bones with very fragile skin. Hitting the child with a WEAPON is CHILD ABUSE and any man who does it is no man in my humble opinion.

Brian

[Gladis]

If you love the child, you will not spare them discipline. If you hate your child, let them be.


A belt is NOT a weapon, and it should NOT be used to discipline a four year old. However as they get older and more ornery, you may need to bust out the belt. There was nothing that got me in line quicker then 3 quick whacks. I once a bit a kid at school, and my dad came over from his work to school, paddled my butt, and then went back to work and I went back to class. Bamm, lesson learned, don't bite others, haven't bit anyone since then either.

[MARTINSR]

There is "discipline" and there is abuse. Using a WEAPON on a child is abuse in my book. So let me ask you, how do you define "abuse"? Would a pool cue over the back be ok? Or how about an electrical cord that leaves welts, is that ok? If not, where do you draw the line?

We are talking about a FOUR YEAR OLD child not a friggin four year old dog!

Brian

[poncho62]

Originally Posted by MARTINSR

We are talking about a FOUR YEAR OLD child not a friggin four year old dog!

Brian

In todays society, there seems to be as much concern over that "friggin" dog as the child...............neither deserves abuse.

[MARTINSR]

You are not kidding! The second I hit "post" I thought about that. Beating ANYTHING with a WEAPON is no way to "train" that is for sure. And there are a lot of people who would want to see the person punished more if they hit the dog than the child!!!! Their thinking would be the dog is not capible of understanding, like a four year old child is?????


Brian

[Irelands child]

Originally Posted by MARTINSR

You are not kidding! The second I hit "post" I thought about that. Beating ANYTHING with a WEAPON is no way to "train" that is for sure. And there are a lot of people who would want to see the person punished more if they hit the dog than the child!!!! Their thinking would be the dog is not capible of understanding, like a four year old child is?????


Brian

A swat or two on the butt to get their attention that they have done something wrong will never hurt a kid, a stick, belt or other 'device' is a weapon and constitutes child abuse. I do have to admit that there were days that I would have liked to have beaten my son with anything that I could grab - instead I went out and worked on my car, mowed the lawn, weeded the garden or drove nails into wood until I calmed down - then I just yelled at him. Bullheimer's daughter and her kid have some discipline (life) problems, but beatings are not the way to go.

Dave

[rmemech]

I agree with those that say corporal punishment is for last resort. Never really much cared for the belt, maybe cuz I got the belt when I was a young lad. A paddle is not a weapon if it is to be used for discipline. 1 or 2 good swats with a 5 gallon paint can stir stick and the point is made and the required attention is gotten. IMO kids HAVE to learn to respect their parents. If they don't the kids are gonna run roughshod all over them. I have and will continue to spank my sons as the need arises. But even that is very rare. The sound of "Dad's Sergeant voice" usually does the trick.

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SPANKING A KID AND BEATING THE HELL OUT OF THEM. As an adult YOU have to show the personal restraint to explain what the spanking is for BEFORE you do it and then tell the kid that you still love them and hug them when the deed is done even though they may not want to hear it.

Kids don't come with an owner's manual so we do what we do to make sure they grow to be good upstanding members of society.

[barnym17]

A spanking never hurt anyone a beating however is a different story.My 2 step kids each got one in their life.However the one made the point they had to mind or else there would be consiquences. Talk once then if they don't listen impose dicipline ranging from grounding to spanking as needed. But I really doubt anything but a smack on the *** of a 4 year old will work.You don't have to waylay em, just the idea you are pissed usually hurts there feelings enough to stop the behavior.

[RCastle]

Wow,I had a huge response to this,but this speaks louder than anything anyone can say.I honestly believe that since so many people have taken this"tread softly" approach to disciplining their children,this is part of the outcome and an increasing trend.
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You know,I NEVER heard of this happening when I was a kid growing up in the 70's,and if it did happen,it was definently not as common as it has been in the last 25 years.
Bull,if she needs her ***** busted,then so be it.I am not CONDONING beating,but do not let this child walk all over you.

[poncho62]

So.........Beat your children and that stuff would never happen...............Sorry, but that doesn't wash.

There are many things wrong with todays society..................Drugs, guns, bullying are just a few of them..............and they have been around for years.

Quote..."THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SPANKING A KID AND BEATING THE HELL OUT OF THEM. As an adult YOU have to show the personal restraint to explain what the spanking is for BEFORE you do it and then tell the kid that you still love them and hug them when the deed is done even though they may not want to hear it."

Who does the hug help....the child or the adult that just beat them???

[RCastle]

I KNEW that was going to happen.I am not condoning beating.But give me that many instances of violence and kids who are so defying when it was "OK" to punish your kids in other ways than telling Jimmy he can not have his X-Box for a whole week.

[HemmiGremmie]

Although my girls rarely got a spanking. Has anyone noticed that since people started using the timeout and reasuring method that all the kids have foul mouths, use drugs, backtalk and in general have no respect .
Seems to work better by beatin the rears sometimes. HG

[MARTINSR]

Originally Posted by RCastle

You know,I NEVER heard of this happening when I was a kid growing up in the 70's,and if it did happen,it was definently not as common as it has been in the last 25 years.
Bull,if she needs her ***** busted,then so be it.I am not CONDONING beating,but do not let this child walk all over you.

LOL, that is ludicrous to think that the lack of spanking caused the list of crimes you posted!

It could have just as well been Starbucks or Monster Truck races, they wern't around back then either!

I am not saying not to disipline your children. I am saying if you need a WEAPON to beat your child into subission, you have FAILED as a parent.

Brian