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Old 03-13-2013, 01:46 PM
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Well then they need something else besides salt. With all the money they've spent on salt they could have heated the roads like they do in europe.
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Old 03-13-2013, 01:51 PM
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[QUOTE=bigdog7373;1656470]Well then they need something else besides salt. With all the money they've spent on salt they could have heated the roads like they do in europe.[/QUOTE

I'll agree with that, bigdog. They put a man on the moon more than 50 years ago. Sent a rover to explore Mars, have men staying in a space station orbiting the earth. Surely something could be formulated that melts ice without melting steel into a rust pile.
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:27 PM
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In many cases, the salt has to be mixed with the sand to keep the sand from freezing into one solid lump in the spreader truck. I grew up in Manitoba (North of Minnesota/North Dakota) and we HATED the times of year when it was between minus 15 and 0 (OK - in "foreign-height" that's between - oh say about 10 and 32 above) because THAT was when you had the freezing sleet etc. I too have driven with the right-side wheels on the gravel shoulder just to keep moving (at maybe 10 mph!). If you stopped an tried to get out you could not stand up or take a single step without a painful fall.

Studded tires help a LOT in those cases.

When a stationary car, all 4 wheels locked by driver on the brakes can be pushed sideways by leaning on it, when a 5 mph skid goes for several hundred feet, then yes, something has to be put on the roads to keep the death toll as low as poss.

Salt is Sodium Chloride.

Some jurisdictions use Calcium Chloride which is liquid at "normal" temps and they spray it on the roads

It is less harmful to vegetation and to cars, but it is also less "harmful" to ice.
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Salt or sand would have saved my niece's life many years ago. We thought it was inexperiance but when we got out of the truck to see the scene both my father and I wiped out on the highway we just drove up on, that icy. So as much as salt sucks we wouldn't be driving any hotrods on it anyway because it's winter. We do have a lot of rust where they use it though, wish there was an alternative.
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And the ice is most dangerous right around freezing temps.
At -40 its almost sticky to walk/drive on, so salt (or whatever) is not really needed. This does NOT mean its as good as bare dry summer pavement but its WAY better than it is at 5 degrees below freezing.

All of this makes life REALLY interesting here on the "wet coast" because:

A) It very rarely snows at all - so every snow event is virtually a first-time experience for drivers, and

B) It never gets very cold around here, so on those once-or-twice year occasions when it does snow a couple of inches, the temp is always in the danger zone. THEN is a good time to own shares in a body shop!
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I have to agree about the ice, compared to snow. When I was a kid in the Navy on the West coast and was riding my streetbike in the spring hit some black ice which we don't have in our region and almost did some kind of weird all over the place wipe out, just can't see that stuff, ours is white and shiney here.
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Old 03-14-2013, 12:23 AM
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Well then they need something else besides salt. With all the money they've spent on salt they could have heated the roads like they do in europe.
I donīt know of anywhere in Europe that has heated roads.
This last week here has been dreadful for snow, in England people have spent thirteen hours trapped in cars on snowed in highways.
Itīs been very bad here in Spain too, central and in the north.
I know Germany gave up on salt a long time ago because it was poisoning the water table, they only grit and rely on people learning to drive on packed down snow.
The worst Iīve experienced here was when the ground has been frozen awhile and it turns mild and rains. That rain instantly freezes on the ground and looks like glass, never felt so helpless in a vehicle skating around out of control.
The best car I had here to drive in snow was my 1978 Camaro, always started and never got stuck, beat all those front wheel drivers hands down.
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Worked on what.
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Old 03-14-2013, 07:56 AM
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Worked on what.

Yup, we definitely got off topic for a while. But that's one of the things that attracted me to HOT RODDERS, just like a bunch of guys leaning on cars, shooting the breeze, sometimes. It doesn't all have to be about cars.
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Yup, we definitely got off topic for a while. But that's one of the things that attracted me to HOT RODDERS, just like a bunch of guys leaning on cars, shooting the breeze, sometimes. It doesn't all have to be about cars.
WHAT!!! It doesn't all have to be about cars??? Well if that's the case let me tell you about how my hemroids have been acting up lately-------

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Old 03-14-2013, 08:12 AM
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BB, that is just a little toooooo much information, but since you brought it up, mine are doing much better lately.
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Old 03-14-2013, 08:17 AM
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BB, that is just a little toooooo much information, but since you brought it up, mine are doing much better lately.
Wanna race em?

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Looking forward to warmer weather so I can get the T-bucket out. Gonna have to get the seat bottom recovered. For some reason the three year old fabric is falling apart on the passengers side. Can't imagine why. I don't remember spilling anything on it. I may have laid a rag with laquer thinner on it when I was cleaning grease off of a vinyl door panel.

Also have to replace the plywood in my pontoon boat seats. Right now that is more of a priority, since the crappies and bass should be biting soon. Oops, that last wasn't about cars either.
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Well you were working ,just a reminder which you probably know drill a 1 inch hole in plywood on boyyom it will let air escape when you sit on it keeps vinyl from pulling loose,,re;eases moisture Voice of experiance i had to do mine Twice,didnt cut holes first time.
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And if you drill some holes in the bottom of the boat, it'll let the water out an save you from having to bail!
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