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Old 08-09-2013, 06:46 AM
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Old 08-09-2013, 06:53 AM
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Now the nervous anxiety begins. Good luck on the welding it in.

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Looks like a super nice seam....

All you need for the welding is patience and LOTS of it....

With a small bead and going slow, that seam shouldn't need but a skim of filler to hide.

Did I mention patience ?? I would have trouble with that and tend to want to keep going to see it done.

I have the same butt weld clamps as on the sides but to me, they leave too big a gap to bridge nicely. Do you have a copper strip to clamp underneath as a backer ? I have used one for gaps like that with better results than leaving it open.
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Old 08-09-2013, 07:00 AM
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Looks like a super nice seam....

All you need for the welding is patience and LOTS of it....

With a small bead and going slow, that seam shouldn't need but a skim of filler to hide.

Did I mention patience ?? I would have trouble with that and tend to want to keep going to see it done.

I have the same butt weld clamps as on the sides but to me, they leave too big a gap to bridge nicely. Do you have a copper strip to clamp underneath as a backer ? I have used one for gaps like that with better results than leaving it open.
copper probably works best but you can use aluminum too.
I dont understand why theres a strip there ,didnt you use two roofs ? it seems there should only be one seam on each side...why two?
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I only wish I had a cool deal going together like Brian, et al, but my AC took a dump (condenser fan blade broke) and my whole freaking day was spent working on it. Could've been a two hour job- tops, if not for the "technician" who replaced the motor while I was in FL 9 years ago caring for Mom. Besides charging $400 to replace a motor that retails today for $80.00, he used no antiseize on the bare steel shaft, hub or set screws so the fan was basically as one w/the motor shaft. In trying to remove the fan, I damaged the motor's endplate beyond repair. Dam.

Thankfully I found a good low-hours used motor locally, along w/a fan blade from another local source. So while all this scrounging around cost me a lot of time, it did save me a chunk of change. The parts were $70 total ($35 motor and $30 new fan blade) so I suppose all in all it wasn't that bad. And considering the fan blade didn't take out the condenser, I was REAL lucky.
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Old 08-09-2013, 07:25 AM
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I only wish I had a cool deal going together like Brian, et al, but my AC took a dump (condenser fan blade broke) and my whole freaking day was spent working on it. Could've been a two hour job- tops, if not for the "technician" who replaced the motor while I was in FL 9 years ago caring for Mom. Besides charging $400 to replace a motor that retails today for $80.00, he used no antiseize on the bare steel shaft, hub or set screws so the fan was basically as one w/the motor shaft. In trying to remove the fan, I damaged the motor's endplate beyond repair. Dam.

Thankfully I found a good low-hours used motor locally, along w/a fan blade from another local source. So while all this scrounging around cost me a lot of time, it did save me a chunk of change. The parts were $70 total ($35 motor and $30 new fan blade) so I suppose all in all it wasn't that bad. And considering the fan blade didn't take out the condenser, I was REAL lucky.
This is a bad month to be without A/C here in Ga.
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Old 08-09-2013, 07:32 AM
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Now the nervous anxiety begins. Good luck on the welding it in.

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It's funny you should say that because I have been tossing around whether to gas or MIG weld it. I haven't gas welded something like this in a few decades......I have decided to MIG it. Taking my time skipping around and literally taking many days to weld this, it's not a problem. I plan on getting it tacked together well enough to remove the supports and then leave it like that until have more of the top done then come back and finish it up.

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Old 08-09-2013, 07:33 AM
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copper probably works best but you can use aluminum too.
I dont understand why theres a strip there ,didnt you use two roofs ? it seems there should only be one seam on each side...why two?


I took the chaap way out .I took a piece of 3/4 copper pipe flattened it in a vice it is easy to bend to match the curve of the panel.

took another piece 12 in long only flattened 6in on one end and rubber coated the other for a handle for small welds that I can reach behind.
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Old 08-09-2013, 07:34 AM
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copper probably works best but you can use aluminum too.
I dont understand why theres a strip there ,didnt you use two roofs ? it seems there should only be one seam on each side...why two?
Because I didn't use the other roof, it was just too damn rusty. I felt that all that work to get the rust off it was a hell of a lot more work than simply putting this strip in.

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Old 08-09-2013, 07:40 AM
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Looks like a super nice seam....

All you need for the welding is patience and LOTS of it....

With a small bead and going slow, that seam shouldn't need but a skim of filler to hide.

Did I mention patience ?? I would have trouble with that and tend to want to keep going to see it done.

I have the same butt weld clamps as on the sides but to me, they leave too big a gap to bridge nicely. Do you have a copper strip to clamp underneath as a backer ? I have used one for gaps like that with better results than leaving it open.
The side seams are for some reason a little bigger and I have no control over them. I am going to work with them a little more before I weld but so far I haven't been able to close them up tight. I don't like those "Butt weld" clamps either and actually didn't even own any. When I got the roof up there last weekend I ran over to HF and bought the ones you see. I hadn't thought about the copper backing that we have discussed, I may go ahead and put on in there. I need another ten pairs of these C clamp vice grips I swear. I thought I had a few more, kinda ticking me off because I think someone at work may have them. I know I loaned out a couple tools that have now disappeared, TICKS me off. I know they aren't "steeling" them, they aren't those kinda guys. But just neglectful kinda crap not respecting the tools owner is more like it.

Across the roof though the seams are TIGHT. It may look like in the photo there is a gap, but there isn't, it is TIGHT.

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got nothing done, doctors mon/wens/thurs/Friday(tomorrow) and then wait on test.. yet again..
so only thing I've done is order some parts and research info for my other cars, really need to get the printer working..
and find out how to transfer ei favorites to another computer, I fixed my other laptop and want to use it in the garage..
and would like all my car bookmarks on it.. without manually adding them all one by one.

Good luck on your tests, I don't remember you talking about what these tests are, but what ever they are, hope all goes well.

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Old 08-09-2013, 07:48 AM
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That's a lot of welding! Always enjoy it, but it's so easy to warp, even when I take my time and jump around during the tacking!

I did some tuning on the Falcon yesterday. Just checking timing, idle-air mixture, and driving after each adjustment. Hope it's ready for the drags later this month. Wish I had a safe area to make some short runs nearby.
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Old 08-09-2013, 07:52 AM
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Because I didn't use the other roof, it was just too damn rusty. I felt that all that work to get the rust off it was a hell of a lot more work than simply putting this strip in.

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Ahh, so why didnt you just blast the old section of roof???
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Old 08-09-2013, 07:55 AM
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I took the chaap way out .I took a piece of 3/4 copper pipe flattened it in a vice it is easy to bend to match the curve of the panel.

took another piece 12 in long only flattened 6in on one end and rubber coated the other for a handle for small welds that I can reach behind.
LOL, thats exactly what I did and it works like a champ..
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It's funny you should say that because I have been tossing around whether to gas or MIG weld it. I haven't gas welded something like this in a few decades......I have decided to MIG it. Taking my time skipping around and literally taking many days to weld this, it's not a problem. I plan on getting it tacked together well enough to remove the supports and then leave it like that until have more of the top done then come back and finish it up.

Brian
does that heatsink type clay or putty(whatever it is) work or is it just a sales gimmick


next up you'll do a 3/4 1/4 on a 65-67 gto or 60's caddy.. now those look like fun to butt weld..
I didn't even try, I cut the old 1/4 off, lined up the new, put it together with butt weld clamps and clinko'd and vice grips and called dad over.. he was like thanks, couldn't spring for full 1/4's for the gto.. thanks buddy, is his last words before say'n this is gonna cost ya..
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Old 08-09-2013, 08:01 AM
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That's a lot of welding! Always enjoy it, but it's so easy to warp, even when I take my time and jump around during the tacking!

I did some tuning on the Falcon yesterday. Just checking timing, idle-air mixture, and driving after each adjustment. Hope it's ready for the drags later this month. Wish I had a safe area to make some short runs nearby.
When I did the original cab all those years ago, I warped the ever loving crap out that sucker! I literally had TWO GALLONS of filler on the roof! Literally, before sanding, TWO GALLONS! It was an inch thick in some spots! I measured it years later with a large C clamp, it was OVER an inch thick! LOL

Back then we were going to NSRA events and they had the "Streethanica" I forget what it's name was. But basically it was an "Autocross" track like the Goodguys are doing now, but I believe a little higher speeds. Anyway my friends and I joked about how I couldn't run in that event because if the truck flipped over spectators would be killed by the flying chunk of bondo from the roof.

The chops or mods to large panels after that little lesson were done very different, as in this top. I brought that seam all the way back to the rear of the cab where it is supported so much more by the curved area. Move the cut to where every you want. You can cut the structure where it needs to be for proper alignment but you can move the cut like this anywhere you want.

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