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Old 08-15-2006, 12:34 PM
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what the hell is GM s problem

why cant they make a vehicle you can work on?

im trying to replace a blower in a 96 blazer. and its held in by 2 different bolts. 1 7mm, and 4x5.5mm. 5.5 MM ? not only this but it seems the fender has to be removed. why are things riveted together that need to be serviced?

this is why i havent bought anything new, in domestic brand, durring my life.

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Old 08-15-2006, 01:53 PM
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gm problem

They are following Toyotas lead. It's supposed to make you take it back to them for service, it just makes me less likely to buy there products. You should see what you have to do to get the fuel filter off My wifes 88 Toyota truck. I'll sell the thing before I replace another one. The older I get the less patience I have for his stuff. I think every car I've worked on I found at least one weird designed thing that was a pita to work on. I want something simple like a 66 belair 250 l6

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Old 08-15-2006, 02:26 PM
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be happy it was just 2 bolts, i think it was our 92 park ave that use 3 different size bolts on the Alt & then u had to use a wrench(&& we all know how long a 15mm is) not a breaker bar on the belt tensioner to remove the belt. sometimes i wonder how much crack those designers are smoking when they design some of the new garbage they acll cars & trucks......joe
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Old 08-15-2006, 05:16 PM
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Doc here,

To the line robot...

It's a matter of a programming bit to make the most logical..Most cost effective moves as the robotics assembles the car...Damn the service people..

Years ago, In the electronics industry, I believe it was RCA..can't remember for sure..But they hired what was known as "The Wrecking Crew" ..whose job was to take a working production model Circuit card for a Television, And remove anything that was "Absolutely Over what was needed to make it function" ..

The Net result: For a couple of years , their product suffered as far as reliability, AND their popularity faded, making it hard to compete..on to step two..Sell the cards to another assembler using their own name..(Enter the obscure brand names) ...That filled the bill as far as the "Bic" of Electronics..(use it til it runs out of fuel and toss it..a new one is super cheap) The larger industry was getting a "Bit" of all sold as well as their own brand name and still made profits..

Today, I don't think RCA even makes Televisions anymore under their own license..(I have not seen one in years..again, I really don't go looking either..)

I see the same trend as we advance in the Auto industry..

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why are things riveted together that need to be serviced?


You probably don't want to hear some fresh out of college tech guy got a raise for coming up with this idea......... do you?
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Have you ever tried to re-kit an alternator made since ~1985? A $12, 2hr proposition for earlier models, later ones are welded shut, no way to get into them. And rebuilt ones cost $150 and up. That's why my '53 Chevy truck is the newest car I drive.
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Old 08-15-2006, 10:03 PM
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i give up...the world went to crap.

im just happy i have a but load of firearms...
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I loved where the oil filter was in my old s-10. hidden up between the block and the exhaust manifold so you can't get a good filter wrench on it. I do like where the filter and drain plug are on my 03 pt cruiser, it is worlds easier to change the oil.
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Old 08-16-2006, 06:16 PM
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[QUOTE=spinn]why are things riveted together that need to be serviced?



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im just happy i have a but load of firearms...

Doc Here,

Yeah..And I just bet THEY don't have a computer that needs Regular service and No hidden Riveted points that Need constant access..

And Now that I think about it..Are Way quicker in the 1/4 mile

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i ended up breaking the last bolt off and using it as a guide pin. the other 3 held blowerer motor on. didnt have to remove the fender or hood , or inner baffel. i think i added some silicone somewheres. worst fix ever, but it works.

in the end i went back to honda land where im happy and free.

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Yes, GM has been getting terrible for that kind of stuff. My nova is cake but it's also almost 30 years old

I've got two fords now. My 2004 F-150 is easy to do basic maintenance, I don't even have to jack it up to change the oil. The Cougar has been not too bad, you just have to know the trick to getting the filter over the steering rack Ohio rust and lousy previous owner(s) have been slowing me down more with that car than anything


A friend of mine had an Intrepid, another with a Saturn, they both said you have to take off one of the front wheels and the inner fender to get to the alternator. and of course it fails in 60,000 miles because of all the road debris
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i give up...the world went to crap.

im just happy i have a but load of firearms...
I agree,on both quotes! Dem guns seem to be a lot cheaper than than them cars, and the oil jobs are cheaper too! lol bilbil
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SNIP Dem guns seem to be a lot cheaper than than them cars, SNIP
Not if you are looking at wilson combat pistols. But I do want one of those CQBs.

Speaking of GM and hard to work on, I am considering getting a c4 vette as a daily driver. I saw where you have to about half dissasemble the engine to pull it.
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pow!

Thats what I'd like to do to some of those college degreed Engineers at GM, they don't have to work on em, they seem to be a bunch of GM attitude weasels that seem to think if you can afford one of their cars, you can afford to take em back to the dealer for just an oil change! All GM wants to do is sell cars in quanity, not quality, the Japanese want you as a repeat customer every 10 years or 300,000 miles, not like GM, thery want you back every 2years or 40 to 50,000 miles. My wife's cousin's ex-husband was was a"college"degreed GM engineer for weatherstripping on Corvettes. he turned out ot be a real treat, for all that knowlege he was a selfcentered @#$%, thats all I'll say. After working my Dad to death and shafting me out of my GM job,I kept going in the hole by buying GM for years! I wash my hands of em.I'll take a Ford, Dodge, or Honda/Toyota/or any rice burner any day. Sure you can go to Krogers and pick up parts for your Chevy, but why should I buy a GM money pit when I can buy a "good car"? I tried, tooo many times to go GM, but I am Allergic. They are great for others! But not Me! BilBil
And as for Wilson Combat pistols, whoa, if i could afford on of those I could afford a"new Cobra GT" I can only afford, my Croation XD40 and High Points,I got a new Skyy 9mm, still deciding on it, I might trade it in on a glock or a Kharr 9mm

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