I have one of those 110 little mig machines and I don't really like the welds from the fluxed wire. This unit did not come with a bottle but is set up to use one. Does anyone know where to get one without paying through the nose? :confused:
thanx! in advance, Brad.......
02-10-2007 08:38 AM
The only safe place is your local welding supply store - mine is the 40 cu ft, supposedly good for ~2 hours welding. The 20 and 40 are the biggest you can buy here. They aren't that expensive.
02-10-2007 08:42 AM
re: where to get a cheap argon gas bottle?
Yeah and while you're at your favorite welding supply place ask them if they have bottle rentals. Most will charge you maybe up to $10 a month to use their bottle. This rental charge of course is in addition to the prive of the gas. This will help you save a lil money and get gas only as you need it. Of course call a few places to find out.
02-10-2007 08:42 AM
Not sure what's available in your area but Tractor Supply and Northern tool has them about as cheap as I have found, here anyway. If you have already talked to the local gas supplier then you are fairly close to what one is going to cost unless you can find one from a private source. If you do locate one from somewhere besides a dealer then be SURE the inspection date is not expired no matter how good the bottle looks. No one will fill a bottle that has expired until it has been retested and if you have to have that done you would probably be better off to just buy a new one. BTW you will not regret changing to MIG operation and using the gas, Argon/CO2 if you are welding steel.
02-10-2007 08:44 AM
Just upgraded my bottle from 20 to 40 lbs only cost $50. The 20 dont last long at all
02-10-2007 09:18 AM
agree 40 is the way to go
02-10-2007 11:19 AM
You can always lease a bottle of most any kind from your local welding supply. But regardless of how often you use the welder,you will still be billed on a regular basis for the use of the bottle. I've found the best way to go is to purchase the bottle. That way if you don't use it for a period of time there is no expense other than the cost of the gas.
Also unless you are planning on welding aluminum, CO2 will work just about as good as Argon or the Argon/Co2 Steel mix gas. And it is normaly much cheaper than pure Argon. I have 2, Co2 bottles that I use for mig welding and they both came from a soft drink machine. They have the same connection as the regulator on the mig welder and they cost me next to nothing. I exchange them with the welding supply when I need to have them refilled and never have to worry about paying for the cost of testing the bottle that way.
I also have a regular Argon bottle that I use strictly for tig welding, that isn't used very much. I normally have it refilled about twice a year and don't have to pay rental fees on it either, but it is always there when I need it.
02-10-2007 12:02 PM
Before investing in the bottle(s) make sure your local supplier will fill them. The local suppliers where I live simply refuse to fill oxygen, acetylene and argon bottles which are not leased from them. I have to drive 3.5 hours round trip to a supplier that will fill owner owned bottles. Makes me furious. I've owned my own tanks, well, forever, and now the gas suppliers have basically put a gun to my head to go on their over priced lease plan.
02-10-2007 01:48 PM
Where I live....you can lease them on a yearly basis or buy them. It is cheaper to buy them in the long run. The same welding supply stores that lease them....will also sell them to you.
Prof. T. Soggmeyer
02-10-2007 04:44 PM
maybe found a souce?
I called Tractor Supply in the next town and they have a #1 bottle for 116.00. they don't refill them, they only will do an exchange. Does this seem in line?The welding supply store is closed on weekends so I can't call them till Monday.
02-10-2007 04:58 PM
I got a lil bottle at an AirGas company. They sold me the 20cm bottle filled for $90. Of course they will refill.
02-10-2007 05:19 PM
I'm not sure it's in line, but that about what I paid for the first bottle. They sweetened the deal by telling me "Your first fill up is free" Wow, woope dud. I bought it and just pay to exchange for a full one (at like 30 bucks a pop) when it runs out. After you refill that a couple of times, you figure out you only need a whisper of that gas if your welding indoors.
02-10-2007 06:08 PM
In all the years I have welded, I haven't bought or leased a bottle of any kind for thirty years. I buy a bottle contract that cost 100-150 dollars for the bottle first time plus the fill. Then just trade the bottle when it is enpty. At the end of five years if I don't want the bottle anymore I can turn it in and get my money back. If I do, they just extend the contract with no extra expense. There is no use requirement or time limits. Due to a recent move, my new contracts are only a couple years old but before, some were over twenty years old and I got the money back for all of them.So for the price of one bottle, you are assured that you have current bottles and some recourse if they are leaking. :)
02-10-2007 06:42 PM
That Tractor Supply price is not out of line and you touched on a big advantage- they are open on weekends, seems weekends when the gas outfits are closed are the most likely times to run out :mad: They also will exchange any bottle as long as you own it and it is in date. The last Acetylene bottle I took in to them had been expired for about a year and they took it anyway telling me they would get it tested but they just did me a favor on that on. Get the biggest bottle you can handle because the fill price difference between the small bottles and the big ones is not very much and the price per cubic foot of gas is a heck of a lot cheaper when you fill a big tank. Sometimes it may be tempting to just forget the gas and use flux core but when you consider the cost difference between flux core and the solid wire the gas does not seem so expensive.
02-10-2007 08:09 PM
Has anyone done a comparison between flux and gas? Mainly comparing strength of the weld.
Only asking as I just received a free welder that can do both and right off the bat I was gonna go for gas but I will probably only be welding exhaust and maybe a shifter bracket or two.