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Old 05-26-2004, 08:56 PM
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A whining thread. Post in kind.

I was really making progress, finally after about a month of stagnation. I cut off the old rear quarter and was happy to find that besides the exterior sheet metal, all the mating metal was in pretty good shape with minor surface rusting. Wow, what a break of good luck. I had noticed some areas that appeared to have bondo on the back around the tail lights, so I figured I'd get the textured wheel after them too, while I was in the area.

WHAT THE <BLEEP!?>

WHERE'D THE METAL GO?!

I've also got some pictures from the inside that look worse. The previous attempt at restoring this area was to sandwich the rust between 2 pieces of fiberglass cloth. Eeeeesh. Oh, well. Tack on another 2 months to the project.

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Lemme know that I'm not the only one this happens to. Post your, " Hey, more rust!" stories.
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Old 05-27-2004, 12:36 PM
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You mean like having a floor made out of layers that included bondo, chicken wire and heater duct material, held in place with sheet metal screws? Or having the front of a fender under the headlights fabricated out of aluminum siding? Perhaps the structural hornets-nest stories would be apt here as well...

How about new body lines created by the removal of the rocker panels.. Inner rocker panels unattractive in the absence of the outers? Just bend them out of the way.

I don't think I can top the story about lowering the rear end by filling the quarters with cement, though.
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Old 05-27-2004, 02:34 PM
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Wow, really?

Those are some pretty good ones. This guy fixed the cowl vents by torch cutting doors in the sheetmetal above the cowl vents and pouring, what looked like about a half a quart of resin around the cowl. He didn't shape it or sand it, or even pretreat it in any way, just poured it on. Then he closed the doors he had made with bondo. No reason to weld them back, right? When I removed the resin (which was basically directing the rain water underneath itself) the cowls themselves just fell right out. I couldn't have picked a better car to learn on, cause it looks like I'll be replacing just about everything on this sucker.

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Old 05-27-2004, 02:41 PM
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When doingg the body on my 240Z, I found a bunch of bondo forward of the rear wheels, so I thought "let me take it off and put new"....boy was that eyeopening!! Not to mention the holes in the floor/frame rails when I took off the undercoating!

Some pics here
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Old 05-27-2004, 06:32 PM
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I redid a '69 Chevelle one time that had a quarter size bubble on the bottom of the rear fender. I fired up the grinder with a 40 grit disc to knock it down and strip some of the paint away. When I hit the spot about one foot or so of the whole fender behind the wheelwell flew off. The reason...metal mending tape and probably 2 gallons of bondo. You find all kinds of stuff. A neighbor of mine had a '68 Nova that he wanted me to paint and he said he would do all the body work. He wanted the golor changed so when he dropped it off I was prepping it and looked inside of the trunk. The rear fenders were patched with shop rags and bondo. All I did was paint it. It turned out super but I felt sorry for whoever bought it about a year later with them not knowing how it was pieced together.
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Old 05-27-2004, 07:03 PM
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Yeah, you've got to shake your head

Yeah, I've actually seen it being done too. I used to work at a mustang shop near my house on weekends just to practice. A month or so after I started working there, they brought in a 67 coupe that looked horrible. At the time it didn't run. After about 2 weeks they had it gleaming and running. I hadn't seen the actual work, and I was impressed with the transition, so I asked, "Man, how'd you guys knock that out so quick?". The guy told be that their body man was good (and he was). They didn't hit that car with a single hammer or torch. They just bondoed the whole thing and shot it with a couple of coats of cheapo white paint and a clear coat. He said, "It'll probably last about 5 years before the thing starts to fall apart. They bought it for 1k and sold it for 6k. It's a shame to see something like that, but it was a good learning experience. If it looks too good to be true, you better keep looking.

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Angry And I thought I'd seen it all...

Alrighty.. I knew that some things about my '56 Mercury as I had bought it were a bit squirly, I knew that the engine mounts consisted of a bizzare combination of square tubing and plates bolted together... I knew that the floor had been repaired with small flat sections of sheet metal screwed in to the good parts of the floor, I knew that the radiator was held in with zip-ties (the radiator has since been replaced), and I knew that the rusting out of the rocker panels was fixed by cutting off the outer rocker panel and bending the inner pannel up out of sight...

This was my fun car, and I've had a lot of fun working on the 352 engine.. I have everything running and sounding great.. I haven't prioritized the body work, and I've had it up and down Woodward in the Dream Cruise on a couple of years in spite of how obviously it is in need of work.. It's about a 200 foot car.

So this year, I decided I'd take care of the rockers and floor (I've already done the quarter panels, they just need finishing work) Which brings me what prompts me to post.

I've put off this project for a long time just because of the unpleasantness of having to remove the front seat... Now that my dad has a lift in his garage, which he got in the last couple years, it's a simple matter of grinding off the heads of the bolts.. no longer do I need to worry about the inaccessible square weld nuts between the seat and the floor which are almost never still securely held by the seat rails...

After I got the seat out and unscrewed the repair panels (got to give credit: the guy before actually drilled and tapped holes in the sheet metal for machine screws, rather than use sheet metal screws like I had expected.. I mean, A for effort.. Grading for doing things right went out the window long ago) I got a look at the trans mount from the other side.

What I could see was quite amazing.. I knew that the guy who had the car before had taken the engine from a '62 Ford Galaxie.. As well as the radiator (zip-ties).. the gas pedal.. oh yeah, how could I forget the speedometer (zip-tied to the bottom of the dash)..

But the trans mount and trans crossmember were also used, and come to find out.. the attachment method used was to rest it on top of the frame rails. Can you top that for things done not quite the right way?
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Old 07-02-2004, 08:22 AM
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You ever wondered...

Why someone would do it the wrong way, when it seems like the way he did it, took him twice the effort as doing it the right way? I'm still trying to figure this one out. After a while you stop cussing at everything new you find, and just shake your head and start tearing it down. That's how I ended up with a bare frame. I attached a picture of my new surprise that the previous owner left me. The entire back end of my mustang has to be replaced, due to the fact that bondo's main ingredient is talc. It was already severely rusted, but when he bondoed the entire back end, it just made things worse. It did look good for about 5 years, but by the time I started doing the restoration, the 3 separate lights on each side weren't separate any more.

I feel your pain,
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I also feel for you. Back in the late eighties I took in a 69 Mustang for a " minor " body touch up and color change.

This car had the trunk "repaired"? with galvanized heat duct material, a garbage can lid, liscence plates and Roofing tar.. The rear frame rails had beed carved from 2x4 dimension lumber along with the bumper mount. The Roofing cement was then sculptured over everything and left to skin over and the new trunk mat was installed over this. Of course the customer didn't really know the proper repairs, couldn't afford the correct repairs and just wanted a nice looking car. For years people would say. "That was a Beautiful restoration you did on that Mustang" and I always answered " I only painted it!"
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Old 07-02-2004, 09:18 AM
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When I was a youngster in Mn. working in a bodyshop I saw a lot of "home" repairs, steel wool, newspaper for fill and bondo over it. A friend bought a beautiful 56 Chev, a year later bondo fell off in huge chunks off the quarter panels, flat sheets of fiberglass were riveted on, bondoed over, body shutz applied on the inside. My 36 has had a few minor surprises, mostly one side where massive amounts of bondo were applied, no rust though. There's only a few bobbles , I guess it was easier to bondo the whole quarter then it was to fix it properly. It's aggrevating but the up side is it will be done right when I am finished. Dan
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Way back when the early camaros were hard to find and parts were nonexistent, I bought a 69 repo from the bank sight unseen.
V/8 4 sp.straight body, and a sun roof. $300.00. Drive it home.

Went and picked it up, what a surprise, Every thing was as stated by the bank.

Beautiful bright blue with a sun roof...........

The sun roof was a two foot square bubble that goes on a house roof. The top had been cut with a torch and the bubble was pop riveted to the roof, it was about a foot tall.

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bondo fender

I bought a '77 monte carlo with a few bubbles in the paint. 3 hours of grinding later 2/3 of the fender was gone. So with a mixture of screen fresh from my parents front door and a lot of creative bondo work (mind you I was 16 at the time) I sculped two new rear fenders. That winter I forgot about the delicacy of those fenders and proceeded to show off to my girlfriend by kicking the snow and ice off the wheel well. Almost the whole fender came off in one piece! She still razzes me (now married) 10 years later!
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Old 07-02-2004, 12:49 PM
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I was cutting out the old car corners on my 67 GMC and found a ton of bondo right from GM. The metal was flawed right from the factory and man was it nasty!!! The kid who had the truck before me also filled the cab corners with Expandafoam , shaved them smooth and body filled over it. I slammed to door on the truck to hard one day and damn near the entire corner fell out!!! HAHAHAH aaahhhhh the thigns we find in old cars eh
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I'm in tears Troy-Curt

That's got to be the stupidest thing I think I've ever seen or heard. That story chippered me right up. The pop-rivets are what did it for me. Thing must've leaked like a sieve.

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It did. there was no caulking, just rivets, no headliner, and the tar stuff the factory puts on stunk really bad from using a torch to cut the hole with.

I went to the salvage yard and got a chunk of a top that looked like the same curvature and welded it in with a acetylene torch.
(before migs) then coated the top as if it were hail damaged, only it had to be pretty thick in places, used a 18 inch cement trowel, worked good.

It was # 3 sons first car at 15 years old. He started driving it to school at 16, wore out several engines and broke several muncies, drove it until after he got married(8 years) And the top never cracked.

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