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Old 09-23-2006, 11:11 AM
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White Smoke, I'm at a loss

I have read many posts on White Smoke..... Added a fresh 10Gal of gas to an empty tank.

Oil still looks good not milky at all.

The coolant level is not dropping at all.

I disconnected the tranny from vacuum and ran the engine for 20 Min's. (as suggested in some posts), this prevents sucking any tranny fluid, I think?

I still get white smoke. At idle it can be seen faintly but when I open throttle it starts to bellow out. (can be seen in the link to the vid).
The one thing that does concern me is a high pitch screeching sound when I open the throttle.

Comment greatly appreciated...I'm no auto expert but would that noise suggest an internal problem? or water pump?

Video of White Smoke Have your volume up to listen.
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white smoke

Warm up the car to operating temp. Shut it off. Pull spark plugs then crank it over to see if you are pushing water out of a spark plug hole. It can be a couple of things. Cracked block, head gasket, valve seals or tranny line. Hope this helps. Al
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Screaming

I have found different type of belts will make that kind of noise.
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I had the same thing happen to me. In my case, the head gasket was blown letting small amounts of coolant into one cylinder-bad news was that I had to resurface the block to fix the small channel that had developed because I drove it like that for too long. Hope your problem has a more simple solution. Bill
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Old 09-23-2006, 12:43 PM
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The white smoke that you see is more than likely steam....it will get worse and one day it will lock the engine up and you will not be able to start it. You more than likely have a blown head gasket.
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The white smoke that you see is more than likely steam....it will get worse and one day it will lock the engine up and you will not be able to start it. You more than likely have a blown head gasket.
Even though there are no signs of coolant loss? This is what baffles me, I can run the car for a while on the weekends and the coolant never drops down. The coolant is right at the top of the rad when I take the cap off. It should drop some if it were leaking into the engine, right?
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Even though there are no signs of coolant loss? This is what baffles me, I can run the car for a while on the weekends and the coolant never drops down. The coolant is right at the top of the rad when I take the cap off. It should drop some if it were leaking into the engine, right?
very small amounts of coolant are leaking into a cylinder and steaming off. check the plugs, you will find 1 that is pure white and squeaky clean, that will be your culprit cylinder
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What Matt said....Your head gasket has just bearly started leaking...but trust me it will get worse in time. You could have a small crack in your block or one of your heads but I figure its a head gasket. Matt is right the cylinder getting the coolant in it...the plug should really clean looking. Only two colors of smoke on gas vehicle engine..blue smoke ( burning oil) and black smoke ( Gas too rich). White is always steam from water or coolant getting into a cylinder.
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You probably know this but, if and when you do pull the heads make sure you take them somewhere and make sure they're not warped, which can be taken care of by the machine shop. Don't just pull the heads and swap out the gaskets. They sure aren't as cheap as they used to be.
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blown head gaskit trick

my old trick for detecting blown head gasket was to pull rad cap run engine at idle till it reach operation temp two things can happen one it bubbles up like a milk shake two you will see pepper like substance in rad fluid both are a bummer
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58chevy,

I watched the video and I think you have some tired valve guide seals. The smoke is from the oil running down the valve stems and being burnt in the combustion chambers. It smokes more when you open the throttle because the vacuum at the back side of the intake valve goes up and draws in more oil. Try adding some over the counter stuff to your oil to soffen the seals. From sitting for long periods of time without moving some of the seals may have gotten a "set" which will cause them to leak. If that doesn't work then the heads need to come apart so you can put new seals on the valves.

From the looks of the back of the car it has been in the garage for some time now.(no tail lights means you can't drive it on the streets) So the noise you hear when you rev the engine is the V-belt slipping on the alternator or water pump or both. Buy a new one before you take your 58 on the streets.

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I don't know how accurate the colors in the video are but it looks to me like the smoke has a bluish tinge to it, indicating burning oil. Since you have no coolant loss or mixing, I would try an additive as scholman suggests. I wouldn't rule out the possibility of a coolant leak into the combustion chamber but all I can do is call it as I see it, and from the video it appears to be blue smoke ( burning oil).
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Doc here,

I agree, I have totally poor eyesight, and a slow computer BUT that looked like blue smoke..most likely from dried up and cracked Guide seals..

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very small amounts of coolant are leaking into a cylinder and steaming off. check the plugs, you will find 1 that is pure white and squeaky clean, that will be your culprit cylinder
OK, I looked at the plugs and not one was white or cleaner than the rest. All were fouled black.

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Doc here,

I agree, I have totally poor eyesight, and a slow computer BUT that looked like blue smoke..most likely from dried up and cracked Guide seals..

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So should I just go and get some seal conditioner and add it to the oil? Is there something in particular (brand) I should look to buy?
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58Chev,

Any brand is fine. But first do one more thing. Now this isn't a prank, smell the oil. If it smells like gasoline then you may have fuel washing the cylinders and at the same time thinning the oil so you burn more than normal. If the oil smells okay then put the seal conditioner in the oil. Be sure to follow the directions on the container.

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