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re: Why high RPM's on the oval tack?
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I'll have to disagree with that. "Modern" "stock" cars still use a rear suspension geometry based on the one from an early 60s Ford pickup. I'd hardly call that modern - or stock for that matter. Most street driven cars have suspensions that are far more advanced than anything on the track in NASCAR. The one thing that HAS gotten much more advanced in the last 40 years is aerodynamics and airflow management. The combination of reduced drag and increased downforce, coupled with tire advancements, is mainly what's responsible for the speeds in NASCAR today. |
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re: Why high RPM's on the oval tack?
Thats another thing Im very interested in, aerodynamics. Partly to try and make cars go faster. But more so because Im very interested in air racing. Piston powered aircraft racing at break neck speeds very low to the ground with huge amounts of power {in some classes}. Which means they must also be very aerodynamically efficient. Im just a big fan of anything that is powerful and goes fast.... unless its a 4cylinder. Sorry all you 4 bangers out there. Another cool thing is trying to strip as much weight from a car as possible, its amazing how creative you can get lol. I find it hard to believe {although i dont doubt you} that nascar is using TRUCK suspension from the 60's!
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re: Why high RPM's on the oval tack?
That high-zoot "truck arm" suspension somebody has on the market looks an awful lot like what's under the arse end of my '69 C-10. Have I got a hot-rod in disguise???
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re: Why high RPM's on the oval tack?
OK, I was wrong. NASCAR rear suspensions are based on 60s Chevy pickups, not Ford. From www.circletrack.com:
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Steve, has anyone told you you're crazy, lately? Somebody said that NASCAR suspension is the same as his old truck. Well sort of. Your or his old truck although looking the same wouldn't last long at Daytona. By the same token, you're making a constant left hand turn at 200 mph on whats a pretty smooth road. The downforce in the corners on a banked oval are real high but this is a stiffness and strength issue more than a sensitivity to bounce and rebound, or even right hand turns. So these cars are point designed to that end, they would do well at Le Mans and those cars wouldn't do well at Daytona if either were forced to race the other track with no modifications. So strength and rigidity are traded for compliance with control at NASCAR. Its not unlike those pickups the factory's sell as off-road this and off road that. The typical Z-71 Silverado or TRD Tacoma off the showroom floor wouldn't get out of Ensenada let alone finish the Baja. Bogie |
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Not since I blew up my car racing a Z06, why do you ask? lol. Thats really cool about the modified truck suspension thing! Thanks for bringing that up! Steve PS: All racing was done in a legal manner. |
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I'll agree to disagree with you. Have you ran a modified? Have you seen how well they hook up? I should know, I work with several track champions and I also work for probably the largest circle track supplier in the country.It is very high tech, and yes, they use some old school style suspensions but they are far more advanced than their predecessors. The cars are far more potent in terms of how much bite they put on the track as compared to the old days, and I am speaking in terms of dirt track suspension technology. Just watch the suspension travel on modified. It's very high tech compared to the old days. Traction control systems, high tech shocks, and the list goes on. |
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I know exactly what you mean. I think they're the only class in which I've seen drivers attempt four wide racing (or at least close to it) without wrecking. ![]() |
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I found an interesting article that pertained to this thread so I thought I'd dig it up and share. I can't post the direct link because it only links to the main page so I'll quote it and leave instructions to find the actual page. The article is by David Reher of Reher-Morrison Racing Engines. The article can be found at www.rehermorrison.com then click on the "Tech Talk" link at the top of the page and scroll down to "Raising the Redline: Why RPM Matters".
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That was a VERY good article and it helped me understand a lot better! Thanks alot Blazin!
Thanks Steve |
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re: Why high RPM's on the oval tack?
With the rear suspensions used in dirt oval track racing today hooking up 600 to 800 horsepower is being done every day.Even old school leaf springs get it done with some creative modifications carrying the left front wheel all the way down the track is common.The 4 bar system when right can take all the power you can give it on a tacky track these are not Nascrap cars.
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