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Hating SBC

Yeah, I wonder if the same was ever said of the Ford flathead. They were plentiful, cheap, light,with lots of aftermarket goodies. Now they are fairly rare and expensive. When hybrids saturate the market the SBC will be a collectible?

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I hate SBC engines

I;m a dirt tracker turned street rodder.
Dirt tracker's hate sbc's too. But they use them anyway.
Because than are [fast,cheap,reliable] .
One more thing some of them pull their car's with ford and dodge truck's and race a [SBC'S]
Just be individual.
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rear ends

sbc just like rear ends everyone got one.building a 1950 olds coupe,no clip,has disc and p/s,every one looked at me kinda wierd,when i decided to put a olds 394 and 4 speed hydro in it, i was in shock,they said sbc,i asked them if they ever heard a big olds fire up and run,then i realized all were late bloomers didnt remember going cruzing on fri or sat night to cruize up the main drag,never new what kind of engine u would come up on,cads buicks studes even packards,that my friends was hotrodding now its a long long line of sbcs,boring,nothing makes my heart thump more then a early rod with a early engine i like sbc,but there for the grocery getter
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When reading this essay please don't get the idea that I'm bashing one of hot rodding's legendary power plants. I'm not. The small block Chevy is one of the most popular V8 engines ever built. It is reliable and has almost unlimited potential. Then why, you ask, do I hate this engine? The answer is very simple; there are just too damn many of them.

To be clear, the focus of this essay is on Street Rodding. That category which is generally considered to comprise pre 1949 vehicles. These cars and trucks are generally where engine swaps are most common and the builder has almost total control over the choices he makes. When talking about muscle cars or street machines the assertions of this essay won't always apply and that should be kept in mind when reading this paper. I am not condoning swapping out a 350 in a Nova for a Buick Nailhead. Although different, that swap wouldn't make much sense. However when it comes to Street Rods, the SBC has become not much more than a mundane "also ran."

I don't blame Chevrolet for this at all. I blame the people who are building street rods and the way they perpetuate the use of this engine as the solution to all problems and quite simply the "only" way to go. The popular claim that, "It's reliable and cheap to build," just doesn't hold water. Yes it is reliable, however it is NOT the only small V8 out there, and it is no more reliable (and only marginally less expensive to build) than any number of other domestic V8s. A good choice yes, the only choice?.. not by a long shot.

Let me ask you a question? When you go to a car show don't you get tired of seeing the same power plant in almost every street rod you walk by? I sure do. To me there is nothing more boring than another "cookie cutter" street rod powered by a small block Chevy. I have to ask what is wrong with the builders of these cars. Are they so unimaginative that they just have to use what everyone else does? Where is their originality, creativity, and individuality? These people certainly don't seem to lack these qualities when contemplating the paint scheme or the interior accoutrements so when choosing the engine for their street rod why do they "settle" for what can only be described as just another small block Chevy?

When it comes to choosing a reliable engine Ford and Chrysler along with many others have been building and selling reliable V8s for longer than I care to remember. Ford's venerable 289-302 family or Chrysler's 318-360 small blocks are just as reliable and have just as much potential as any SBC every built. So why do people flock to the SBC like moths to a flame? The answer to this question is not what most people want to here. It's because people by nature are just plain lazy.

Now that I've raised the blood pressure of every SBC owner out there let me explain what I mean. When building a street rod (and we're talking about pre-1950 vehicles here) most people for some unknown reason perceive that it is vastly easier to drop in a SBC than going through a little extra work figuring out how to get that Ford small block to clear the front cross member or spending a little time fabricating engine mounts for a Buick Nailhead. These types of problems are not insurmountable and with a little thought they can easily be overcome, but because most people are by nature lazy they take the easy way out and choose the SBC. By choosing the SBC for some reason the perception is that it's easier to do and there are fewer problems to solve. Yes, it probably does save some time and effort but it is not the only solution to the problem. The argument that the SBC is easier to install in most rods just doesn't stand the test when you think about some other V8s. The Chrysler 318 family for example also has a rear sump pan just like the SBC and this engine can be installed in any rod just as easily. This also holds true for several other domestic V8s. True a little thought and possibly a little extra work will have to go into engine mounts but the price of being an individual and a leader is almost always worth the extra effort.

OK so we have now established one reason the SBC is so popular. People by nature are lazy. Now let's look at another reason. People are, for the most part anyway, cheap. Being cheap however is a relative term. For the teenager that is building a 15 year old Camaro on a very tight budget (based on how much he earns flipping burgers after school) this means that every penny has to count and choosing the SBC is almost a necessity. However to the guy who's spending $10 to $20 grand or more on his prize street rod the slight difference in the cost of building a SBC compared to anything else is negligible. The fact that a set of pistons for the SBC costs $40 less than the same set for a Ford or Chrysler small block means nothing to this person. Then why do they "go with the flow" and choose the SBC? Because people also tend to be sheep. That's right; for the most part we are just a bunch of followers.

Anymore it seems to take a special person to break the mold and choose something different. Why else are there so few street rods with real engines like Nailheads, Flatheads, Hemis, BB Chryslers, BB Fords, Olds, Pontiac, AMC and yes even 348-409 Chevys? Because people are way to willing to follow the leader and just do what everyone else is doing. To me this is, to coin a term from the '60s, nothing more than a cop out! If all you want to be is a follower all your life then more power to you, but to the few people left who have the unique ability to think "out of the box" then the SBC is about as boring as they come.

Finally, I'm not blaming anyone for choosing to build a SBC. It is reliable, cheap to build and can deliver lots of horsepower. I've built my share of 302s, 350s and 327s too but one day I opened my eyes and realized that I no longer wanted to be a follower. I no longer wanted to blend into the woodwork and I was willing to take the time, use the brain power and expend the extra effort that it takes to be an individual. I know we are all by nature lazy and building cheap is almost always a necessity, but being a follower is really more of a choice than anything else. Do the hobby a favor and the next time you're considering building a street rod don't be afraid of being creative, or imaginative. For once be an individual and think "out of the box". Choose something other than what has become over the years a "cookie cutter" engine. Of course on the other hand if the entire reason you're building a street rod is to blend in than by all means go with the SBC. After all it is by far the best way to disappear into the crowd.

I tried. I pulled the 305 sbc out and thought for a fleeting
moment "....Ford motor in a 29 Ford ... NO. It is " Ford tough with Chevy stuff". So it is a 350 sbc.
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One more thing some of them pull their car's with ford and dodge truck's and race a [SBC'S]
Just be individual.
Which reminded me of something.......Up here in Canada, we put our rods away for the winter. Sure we have Ford, MOPAR, Gm fans..........Well, If you look around, Most all of them, Ford, MOPAR fans.............usually get a GM as their winter beater..................That tells me something.
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Which reminded me of something.......Up here in Canada, we put our rods away for the winter. Sure we have Ford, MOPAR, Gm fans..........Well, If you look around, Most all of them, Ford, MOPAR fans.............usually get a GM as their winter beater..................That tells me something.
What's that? Is it that GM's are expendable ... use 'em up and throw them away?
(Just kidding ...)

Dang! ... I've only been back working for Ford for 4 months, now. Who says that corporate brainwashing doesn't work?
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What's that? Is it that GM's are expendable ... use 'em up and throw them away?
(Just kidding ...)

I think the word is spelled.....D E P E N D A B L E ..................
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I have to say that it does make for a more interesting vehicle if the powerplant isn't always sbc. I seen a guy utilize the olds quad 4 powerplant in a 3 window coupe this past summer at a show and talk about cool. He actually had designed a component package for the quad engine swap and was trying to market it there. I thought it was a good idea and might catch on.
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The "Quad 4" was a potent little motor...........Didn't like the timing chain and water pump setup though. If the water pump bearing goes, antifreeze mixes with the oil.
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I didn't realize that the quad 4 had an issue like that. That definitley wouldn't be good.
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Here is what that Quad 4 looked like.Hope the link works.
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I didn't realize that the quad 4 had an issue like that. That definitley wouldn't be good.
Yup...the water pump is driven off the chain in that front cover
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At least it's not another Small Block Chevy!
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Here is another nice ride I seen at the NSRA Nat's in Louisville last year. V12 flathead supercharged! This puppy made it into Street Rodder magazine a couple of issues ago. Not real pretty and shiny but it's for real.Very very cool.
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You go centerline!

Two years ago I was in the beginning stages of building my T Bucket. I went to a lot of the local cars shows with camera in hand to get some ideas. What a disapontment. It got to the point that if it had a sbc, I didn't even look anymore, just move on the next one. And I'm not talking Camaros and Chevelles, but street rods of all makes. I had a 302 I was going to use, but I started to wonder if I was doing something wrong if I didn't use a sbc. It also makes me sick to see the tv car builders build high level unique one off cars and put a sbc in because it's "cheaper". Thankfully I went against the grain and used a EFI 302 from a Ford van/truck. It's music to my ears when someones looks at my car at a show and says "what the h*** kind of motor is that".

Ironically though, if I were to try to sell my T bucket, I no doubt would get a lower price for it because it doesn't have a sbc. Go figure.

I am going out on a limb this time though. I'm stuffing a 32 valve 4.6 lincoln mark VIII motor in it right now with a 6-71 and EFI. Don't know if it's going to work and what kinds of problems I might have, but I'll blow it up before I put a sbc in it!
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