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Old 03-21-2014, 07:36 AM
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polyester is polyester . it does not matter what filler you use in it . as bryan said it is all just marketing hype. kitty hair , all metal are all the same. use to be sold with a piece of screen to put over the hole .

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Where people fail is when they use it as a body maker,, It's body filler..
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polyester is polyester . it does not matter what filler you use in it . as bryan said it is all just marketing hype. kitty hair , all metal are all the same. use to be sold with a piece of screen to put over the hole .
What about polyester finishing putty (ezsand and metalglaze) that's a completely different product..
what the heck is polyester anyways.
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Where people fail is when they use it as a body maker,, It's body filler..
A wicked filler for filling anything over a 1/2" ,it don't shrink as much as bondo ....I've seen it used almost 2 inches thick...and bondo about an inch ,Both pop right of with a stiff putty knife and a hammer, even when the paint is ground off and down to the metal,I've also seen bondo an inch thich over paint (unsanded), unfortunately (for me)I just finished the door and was all done when I slammed the door a little to hard and a big az chunk fell off the 1/4 (had to fix it for free).I saved that piece because it looked like the shape of texas (about a sq ft) I had the same thing happen on a Porshe and saved that one too ,it looked like Florida. they're hanging in the office...
You can tell when the previous guy wanted to do a better "stuff it" job because when you pop off the thick filler its green on the bottom 3/4s an of an inch or more and the bondo is only a 1/4- 1/2".....
I've done it myself when I was a teen, starting out and the guy that taught me then showed me this is how to do it....
Man, the crap I was taught and myths I was told took a long time to realize were wrong.
I did get pretty good at sanding though...I learned the hard way.
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I have used it on this truck when we built it in 1995,, And I have to say this.. It look's like the day we took it out the paint booth.. But we didn't use it as a body re-placement..
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There is nothing at all wrong with these reinforced fillers, not at all. They are simply not a Holy Grail Magic bullet product that the marketing dept would like you to believe.

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A wicked filler for filling anything over a 1/2" ,it don't shrink as much as bondo ....I've seen it used almost 2 inches thick...and bondo about an inch ,Both pop right of with a stiff putty knife and a hammer, even when the paint is ground off and down to the metal,I've also seen bondo an inch thich over paint (unsanded), unfortunately (for me)I just finished the door and was all done when I slammed the door a little to hard and a big az chunk fell off the 1/4 (had to fix it for free).I saved that piece because it looked like the shape of texas (about a sq ft) I had the same thing happen on a Porshe and saved that one too ,it looked like Florida. they're hanging in the office...
You can tell when the previous guy wanted to do a better "stuff it" job because when you pop off the thick filler its green on the bottom 3/4s an of an inch or more and the bondo is only a 1/4- 1/2".....
I've done it myself when I was a teen, starting out and the guy that taught me then showed me this is how to do it....
Man, the crap I was taught and myths I was told took a long time to realize were wrong.
I did get pretty good at sanding though...I learned the hard way.

When I chopped the top on my truck at 16 I warped the roof panel all to hell. I put two gallons of filler on it before I even touched it with sand paper! Years later with 24" C clamp vice grip I used it to measure the thickness......1 1/2". LOL It was there when I sold the cab 20 years later but it had funny cracks all over it.

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What about polyester finishing putty (ezsand and metalglaze) that's a completely different product..
what the heck is polyester anyways.
"Fiberglass" is polyester. It's basically fiberglass resin with fillers in it. The polyester putties are finer ground talc that allows it to spread nicer.

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"Fiberglass" is polyester. It's basically fiberglass resin with fillers in it. The polyester putties are finer ground talc that allows it to spread nicer.

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I remember when they first came out (metal glaze I think) said self etching. The guy that owned the shop said : That means you don't have to sand the paint to fill a ding...I knew better but only said Really??? After he painted it and all the sand scratches swelled every where he put it, I asked him what caused THAT ,he said it was just the primer shrinking and it'll buff out...in a month that's what he told the customer too..I was new to Ga. and needed a place to do a car at the time so I never tried to correct him (I could tell he knew it all already anyway) I left (ran) when my car was done and a year later he was closed.. He was at that shop for 20 yrs...go figure.
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Where people fail is when they use it as a body maker,, It's body filler..
And a body KILLER if your standing anywhere near one that gets in an accident ,the shrapnels like a grenade...
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polyester is a type of resin.
"fiberglass" is a glass product that has been made into fibers
"fiberglass" may be laid up with polyester resin, vinylester resin, or epoxy resin and probably other materials as well.

the original bondo was polyester resin and powdered talc as a thickener.

Today when a product is called one thing, you never know if that is the true product or just a sales name. MSDS are good for getting to the just of things.

Bondo is a polyester as are many finishing glazes. The poly glazes are a great advancement from the days of lacquer based putties.

Filers now come with all kinds of fillers, glass fibers, Kevlar fibers, powdered aluminum, cow dung, and who knows what else.

An example is ALL Metal, as it is not all metal , the metal part is but a small %. It is ALL Metal as it can be applied to all metals. Don't you just love marketing?

As with most things in life, all things in moderation. But many times it seems to be if a little is good a lot is better and you can't have to much better!

Nothing beats good metal work and a skim coat of filler, or if you are really good ,great metal work then epoxy prmer.
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polyester is at the bottom of the scale of resins . epoxy is at the top .
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