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Old 02-26-2004, 03:43 AM
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Will your job be there?

I've worked in 2 different factories out of high school,both well known companies.I'm wondering if I'll have a job in 10-15 years.I like what I do. 25 -30 years ago it meant something,to work in manufacturing in a US business.In our town I've seen one factory threaten to move if they if they don't get "incentives" from state and local government,2 other factory that have been bought out that started in Iowa go south of the border or over seas.It doesn't seem to matter where you work management or union,I've seen management personel taken by the arm and shown the door we'll send you your personal things. We just had another layoff this week total around 500 people good paying jobs probably won't be back,in the past 2 years, and at the same time they announce alliance with a Korean firm,and they say no coincidence.You hear on the news that economy is on a upswing,then some major corporation is laying off major jobs and predicting $2-$3 gas this summer.You hear companys say that can't compete if they don't go overseas,in otherwords cheaper labor,no or little restictions on business so they can line there big pockets $$$.Everywhere you turn been told no money or budget cuts but they want your cooperation.Our work contract is up this year in the paper they say optomistic we can work out an agreement. I guess we'll see.Maybe being its election year getting tired of being lied too. I just needed to vent don't want to make a big deal about it maybe others feel the same way. Thanks I feel better now.
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Old 02-26-2004, 04:20 AM
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The name of the game is "Corporate Greed". NAFTA or what it now is referred to TAA has NOT benefited any country or the residents of those countries. Go to http://www.citizen.org and read about how NAFTA has affected the USA and Mexico. The only winners have been the companies themselves. This will, in my opinion be "short term" for the companies and their stockholders as the products being produces by the cheaper labor force (for the most part) are failing dramatically. I have seen the results personally. I work for Schneider Electric Company. They purchased the Square D Company in 1991. Square D is now just a "brand" as well as Telemechanique and Merlin Gerin. The facility that I work at (almost 31 years) in Asheville, NC (Square D) is closing early next year and lines are being shipped out beginning in March. We had several lines moved to Mexico over the last couple of years, but the closing announcement wasn't made until this past November.
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Old 02-26-2004, 07:21 AM
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I'm wondering how bad of a beating North America will take by the Chinese market over the next decade. It seems like everything is made there now. Its sad to think of how many things people buy at Wal-mart are likely made by kids. Is it me or does it seem like the economy here is slipping and China's is growing??
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China's economy is booming. I was over there just a year ago and things are really growing there. There are so many people there that will do just about any job for a little money. There are actually around 3 to 4 people to do each job that 1 American usually does. ie - 4 people check you into your hotel room. One finds your reservation on the computer, one takes money, one hands you a key, and the other is the one who actually talks to you. They even have people to sweep the water off of the streets when it rains. However, there has become a big push in China for education of their children. Those that live in cities usually go to school where those in the country usually work on the farm.
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Old 02-26-2004, 08:06 AM
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I work in the most evil, greedy industry around as you all know, the oil business. I am with my 6th company in 33 years. 5 of those companies don't exist any more, including the evil Texaco, guess they were not clued in that they were making obscene profits and ripping off the Little people! I was laid off when Texaco was taken over by Chevron (Chevron's technical staff has an eerie, "under-50-years-old-look"). After all of that I love this industry, even though most people hate it and wish the government would nationalize it. The job is always challenging and I know I am providing a valuable service to society. This industry is mature and the end is in sight and it too will pass. I won't look at my personal situation and say "the world is lost". IBM had to make major changes to it's typewriter division when word processing burst onto the scene; Kodak has announced they will quit making 35mm film due to digital cameras bursting on the scene, etc. etc. etc. Point is, the economy in general is in good shape. Industries and companies come and go - that's the nature of free societies. We could live in a totally socialist, controlled economy but history has shown people living in that condition will do ANYTHING to escape including sacrificing their lives.

For me, give me liberty or give me death! I don't care if my company disappears, if I get laid off, if my job description disappears, I want the freedom to fail or succeed on my own. I don't want ANY government or bureaucrat telling me what to do, I'll make my own fate thank you. If I fail for reasons outside of my control like a greedy corporation, no problem, I'll retrain myself and get a better job somewhere else. Maybe even start my own business and put the greedy corporation out of business and become the greedy guy myself!!
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Old 02-26-2004, 08:59 AM
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I know what you mean Zonk, I have uncles, friends all over who have to worry whether or not their job will be around in the future. Some of these guys have been getting laid-off for weeks, even months every year since they got into the work force.

In my particular situation, I don't have to worry about the railway just packing up and moving (it'd be kinda hard). As far as jobs always being at the railway goes; in my particular area the majority of trains are loading, and moving coal to the coast. There are 6 major mines in the area and they have said there is coal in their property to last 50+ years. So as long as the Japanese and other countries want coal..... I'll have a job.

The big picture for the railway is the same all over. They need more people. They need experience everywhere.


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Old 02-26-2004, 10:14 AM
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i got the most steady job of them all im the high roller at the swapmeet. seriously i hope to have a good dealership or fabrication.
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Old 02-26-2004, 01:42 PM
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i work at a job corps. my job will be here till i die. hahahaha! as long as i dont get caught swearing, making a sexual, racial, religious, political, weight based, national origin comment, dont let any students in my car or talk to any off center, wear my uniform every day, shave every day, drive 15 mph and dont burn off on center, dont belittle anybody, kiss all my supervisors ****es, am always here and on time, dont take home anything that i didnt pay for, dont use the computer for anything except business (ooops), dont look at any girls-virtual or real, etc etc etc. You need that "helmet" polished?? 'scuse me while i drop the soap.
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Old 02-26-2004, 01:55 PM
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a little bit to strick of a job bullhiemer
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Old 02-26-2004, 02:21 PM
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I gotta agree with Willys36. The more paternalistic the government gets...the worse it will get. Some of the biggest whiners about the economy are the kids just out of college (ot high school) that were working in the dotbomb industries for $75,000 or more. Now that they have to face the real world they are in shock.
The company I work for (construction) used to do a lot of work for Lucent Tech. When we went into the manufacturing areas employees would be sleeping at their desks,wandering around, or hiding in the bathrooms reading the paper. If you needed a forklift operator it generaly took about half a day to get one to come over,even though they didn't have anything else to do.That was about 10 years ago, and that particular plant has just short of shut down! I wonder why????
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Old 02-26-2004, 05:43 PM
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People need to stop thinking about what corporations and government need to do for them. We in a capitalist society, are not promised employment!

The key is to have an entrepreneurial mind set that provides the confidence necessary to be successful at what ever you want to do for an occupation.

Right now Iím running my own software company, and restoring cars on the side because I love them. When software gets old I do something else... repo-man?
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Old 02-26-2004, 05:55 PM
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"Job security" can do more harm to job security than people think! I work construction, and the faster I get a job done....the sooner I'm out of work.BUT....a quality job done at or under budget, will most likely mean another job down the road. Flexibility is more important than anything in todays (and tomorrows) job market.
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Old 02-27-2004, 07:34 AM
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Hang in there zonk- I read the paper and know what you mean... I teach school and I AM totally subject to government restrictions- we need two new buses now and without funding won't be able to get the kids to school! Some future predictions say smaller schools will be closed by 2007. If education doesn't mean anything to people , I guess from now on parents will have to teach their own...to me that doesn't look good... I have heard the complaints about bad teachers and have even seen their actions in my school... if there could be a GOOD way of 'sorting them out' it would be beautiful, but most of the time we're jumping through hoops doing government paperwork and taking required redundant classes I feel I could teach better than the instructor...now we are required to prove with 'artifacts' all aspects of our job- what other business requires you to get signed affidavits, take pictures, make charts illustrating progress, show 'evidence' for the 8 Standards and 42 Criteria for what you do daily and have done for 26 years???!... what to do? I just put in time doing the best I can and plan for the future... that's why I just built the BIG shop... maybe if the job goes they'll lose what I consider a good teacher and I can still somehow eek out a living...(Oh, Dear, you love YOUR job.... don't you?)!!!
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Old 02-27-2004, 02:56 PM
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I have news for you Boys and Girls! We're in deeper doo-doo than one would think. We're about to hit HUGE inflation if something isn't done about exporting steel IN A HURRY! Nickel price have soared, steel prices have doubled. That means everything from soup cans to cars to (god forbid) car parts! Anything Stainless steel, nickel, or plain old steel is going through the roof. My manufacturers are bumping prices anywhere from 8 to 30 percent. Add that to increased fuel costs (transporting goods) and you can see where I'm going. The steel mills were crying when Bush lifted the embargo on foreign steel. Now China is taking every scrap. How about lumber prices? $20.00 for a sheet of 7/16" OSB ? ABSURD ! Last year at this time it was $6.00. Housing costs will go up as well. Hang on tight, because the only jobs left will be sending out the social services and unemployment checks. I'm sure they will do no good because there won't be any cash to fund them.

Where did they expect to get the revenue lost from NAFTA? No taxes? Unless its you or me with a couple cartons of cigarettes or a few cases of beer.

Gloom and doom. Sorry.
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