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Old 11-10-2012, 07:33 AM
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Thats too bad you are wimping out on the Lunati solid cam.
What is the big problem with this?
All the high performance corvettes had a solid lifter cam
Like the 1970-71 LT-1. This lunati cam is very similar to that.
Its a street cam designed for the street. These cams outperform hyd cams.
I bet this solid cam will run quieter at idle than the comp XE284H-10

Set the lash once twice a year. real easy. What knowledge do you need. Set the lash , shut the hood and drive it.
You don;t need to touch it for 6000 to 10000 miles.. Cold lash check takes 30 minutes to do, once or twice a year.
No other knowledge is needed. Mpre power , more rpm, what's not to like.

"EO IC"

you set the intake valve when the exhaust valve just starts to open... You set the exhaust valve when the intake valve just closes (back on seat)... you set the lash cold (easy) a bit tighter than the hot lash spec (hot lash is a pain and not nessessary) .004" ot .006" tighter is just right.
This all you need to know. repeat after me "EO IC"

You don't need to build another engine.
This is a real engine.

this lunati cam will work with your 981 springs ( correctly shimeed.
The comp xe284 needs a better spring.

There is no reason why this motor will come unglued. It will out live you.
You are getting all off on a tangent of building based on some emotional fear.
Fear of a solid lifter cam, fear the motor will come unglued.

Ya the 292H would not be your best bet for this one. The Lunati is....

Assuming you did a decent job on your heads,,, this is a easy solid 12 second ET all street performer
that will serve you well for many many years.

( An you will be all set up for a 150HP nitrous system that will rule the streets in Ottawa for
peanuts.,,,, Well... as long as I don't show up there LOL)
Lmao.....
Its not fear, I'm not afraid of breaking anything, my junk gets abused and driven like it owes me money....this is more of a cost situation....what are solidlifters and cam worth etc etc...I have to admit, valvetrain sounds are cool, when there supposed to be therelol....I just have no idea what lifters, cost, etc etc.....its more ignorance then fear....

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Lmao.....
Its not fear, I'm not afraid of breaking anything, my junk gets abused and driven like it owes me money....this is more of a cost situation....what are solidlifters and cam worth etc etc...I have to admit, valvetrain sounds are cool, when there supposed to be therelol....I just have no idea what lifters, cost, etc etc.....its more ignorance then fear....
That Lunati cam will be a LOT better in your application than the 284XE. the 284XE is still TOO BIG.

As for cost, there usually isn't any more to go solid rather than hdraulic- BUT if you can afford the nicer face oiling lifters they have been proven to help durability. They're about $40 more i think.
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Its not fear, I'm not afraid of breaking anything, my junk gets abused and driven like it owes me money....this is more of a cost situation....what are solidlifters and cam worth etc etc...I have to admit, valvetrain sounds are cool, when there supposed to be therelol....I just have no idea what lifters, cost, etc etc.....its more ignorance then fear....
Cost is more than el-cheapo hyd lifters but less than a good quaility hyd. Lifters. Solids have no moving parts so they are lighter and cost a little less. Most of the cost savings goes into cam mfg. Pockets. But once you are thinking about 6k rpm or higher and anti pump up lifters solids get more affordable and work better. They can push the engine beyond there normal rpm as hyd pump up and limit rpm solids do not.
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If this is primarily a street driven vehicle that isn't street or track raced for money, you will kick yourself every time you drive it w/almost all of the cams mentioned on this thread. The cam in it now is just a little smaller than what will make an outstanding ride for everything except the 1/2 of 1% of the time that it's at WOT all the way through the gears.

You said yourself it runs good to 6K rpm, so what is it you hope to gain by going w/a cam several magnitudes more radical than what is in it now? Because I can tell you from experience that an over cammed engine is a real turd on the street. Unless you are taking it to the track this is a real waste.

I see this all too often here. There are max acceleration combos (high compression, big lumpy cams, loose torque converters, low rear gears) that when driven on the street- where there's no traction and LE to contend with- are just no fun other than the fender rattling idle.

Then there are all around combos that have good torque below 4K rpm and do not require the other less street friendly parts. You are heading towards a max acceleration combo- and for the vast majority of the time and for the vast majority of the drivers out there, this will not be any fun at all on a regular basis driven on the street. Just being the devil's advocate here, giving a bit of a reality check. If you're fine w/the downsides, then go for it and good luck. And save up for a decent set of heads. At least then the cam can give you what it really has.
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I like that Isky, I also like the numbers on this
Howards Cams Mechanical Flat Tappet Camshaft and Lifter Kits CL11100208DL - SummitRacing.com
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If this is primarily a street driven vehicle that isn't street or track raced for money, you will kick yourself every time you drive it w/almost all of the cams mentioned on this thread. The cam in it now is just a little smaller than what will make an outstanding ride for everything except the 1/2 of 1% of the time that it's at WOT all the way through the gears.

You said yourself it runs good to 6K rpm, so what is it you hope to gain by going w/a cam several magnitudes more radical than what is in it now? Because I can tell you from experience that an over cammed engine is a real turd on the street. Unless you are taking it to the track this is a real waste.

I see this all too often here. There are max acceleration combos (high compression, big lumpy cams, loose torque converters, low rear gears) that when driven on the street- where there's no traction and LE to contend with- are just no fun other than the fender rattling idle.

Then there are all around combos that have good torque below 4K rpm and do not require the other less street friendly parts. You are heading towards a max acceleration combo- and for the vast majority of the time and for the vast majority of the drivers out there, this will not be any fun at all on a regular basis driven on the street. Just being the devil's advocate here, giving a bit of a reality check. If you're fine w/the downsides, then go for it and good luck.
Because that's exactly what I enjoy in a "toy".....here's my take, I have this car cause its loud, bright, slightly obnoxious, and fun as hell.....yep, admittadly there's a bit of "thmpr cam" mentality, I like rolling into the Fri night cruise sounding mean and nasty, I like how it feels when i hit the key and its hard to get it warmed up, trying to get it to idle, snarly....I love it....but where I differ from the thmpr CAm crowd, i hit our local dragstrip cruise night often, right or wrong I hit the Fri night street stuff occasionally, hell, I have a quarter mile marked on a back road close to home that I regularly stop all by myself, and run it till the shift light comes on in 3rd. Just for me, all alone, cause its awesome....so I want it to run as good as it sounds.....I like maximum effort, im OK with piss poor gas mileage, a rough idle, a big converter, because its not a daily driver....its my "toy".....its supposed to be a little bit of effort......its supposed to give me goose bumps and a giant ego every time I drive it......and it does....
Hell, my DD is a lowered grand marquis, with single chamber flows, hypertech programmer, gears, and a home built shift kit. I dont "do" boring....
When i need quiet or smooth, I have the wife's charger....
That's my rant......and just my humble opinion...
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That rant not withstanding, if I could afford it, I would have a full size late 60's impala, with a low compression SBC, fuel injection and twins,....having 800hp, a smooth idle, and a sleeper vibe is also hugely cool....but I haven't figured out how to make people give me money for absolutely no reason yet.
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Because that's exactly what I enjoy in a "toy".....here's my take, I have this car cause its loud, bright, slightly obnoxious, and fun as hell.....yep, admittadly there's a bit of "thmpr cam" mentality, I like rolling into the Fri night cruise sounding mean and nasty, I like how it feels when i hit the key and its hard to get it warmed up, trying to get it to idle, snarly....I love it....but where I differ from the thmpr CAm crowd, i hit our local dragstrip cruise night often, right or wrong I hit the Fri night street stuff occasionally, hell, I have a quarter mile marked on a back road close to home that I regularly stop all by myself, and run it till the shift light comes on in 3rd. Just for me, all alone, cause its awesome....so I want it to run as good as it sounds.....I like maximum effort, im OK with piss poor gas mileage, a rough idle, a big converter, because its not a daily driver....its my "toy".....its supposed to be a little bit of effort......its supposed to give me goose bumps and a giant ego every time I drive it......and it does....
Hell, my DD is a lowered grand marquis, with single chamber flows, hypertech programmer, gears, and a home built shift kit. I dont "do" boring....
When i need quiet or smooth, I have the wife's charger....
That's my rant......and just my humble opinion...
Except for the street racing part, I feel ya. Like I said: As long as you're OK w/the down sides...

But do get some good heads asap.
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After your explanation above about what you really want^^^^I withdraw my opinion about your present cam and defer to the experts. Sorry about that, I mistakenly thought we were talking more about a daily driver. Good luck with your build, Bill.
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Because that's exactly what I enjoy in a "toy".....here's my take, I have this car cause its loud, bright, slightly obnoxious, and fun as hell.....yep, admittadly there's a bit of "thmpr cam" mentality, I like rolling into the Fri night cruise sounding mean and nasty, I like how it feels when i hit the key and its hard to get it warmed up, trying to get it to idle, snarly....I love it....but where I differ from the thmpr CAm crowd, i hit our local dragstrip cruise night often, right or wrong I hit the Fri night street stuff occasionally, hell, I have a quarter mile marked on a back road close to home that I regularly stop all by myself, and run it till the shift light comes on in 3rd. Just for me, all alone, cause its awesome....so I want it to run as good as it sounds.....I like maximum effort, im OK with piss poor gas mileage, a rough idle, a big converter, because its not a daily driver....its my "toy".....its supposed to be a little bit of effort......its supposed to give me goose bumps and a giant ego every time I drive it......and it does....
Hell, my DD is a lowered grand marquis, with single chamber flows, hypertech programmer, gears, and a home built shift kit. I dont "do" boring....
When i need quiet or smooth, I have the wife's charger....
That's my rant......and just my humble opinion...
I am with you on that one. Love it loud. I got to say the thumpr cams from comp are not that bad. They idle ruff as hell but have lots of over lap. So you get a big hp peak out of it. What you give up to make that nasty idle is gotten back when you get the dyno sheet. If you look at the specs only the xe and the mutha thumpr are not that different. Both are dual pattern cams and both have similar duration. The thumpr will probalby put more hp on the dyno graph is it usable well maybe not as much but certianly not the worst cam ever designed. There is simply no replacement for a big cam engine. I am just not happy if it doesnt pop and rattle. If it runs smooth then i could have had more with a bigger cam. But maybe im just nuts.
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Except for the street racing part, I feel ya. Like I said: As long as you're OK w/the down sides...

But do get some good heads asap.
Lol......thnks man.....for me the "downside's" are alot of the fun.
And my little heads would surprise alot of people....
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That rant not withstanding, if I could afford it, I would have a full size late 60's impala, with a low compression SBC, fuel injection and twins,....having 800hp, a smooth idle, and a sleeper vibe is also hugely cool....but I haven't figured out how to make people give me money for absolutely no reason yet.
Reveira or catalina? Impala is still doable since most Engien/suspension part are the same if you find an impala body later on. Still use the sbc and the twins...
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After your explanation above about what you really want^^^^I withdraw my opinion about your present cam and defer to the experts. Sorry about that, I mistakenly thought we were talking more about a daily driver. Good luck with your build, Bill.
Its all good Bill.....I daily drove (summer time) my Malibu wagon, 355, T5 and 411's...and for me, it lost some of its appeal....I learned that leaving it in the garage 2 or 3 days a week just made getting home, or the weekends so much more fun looking forward to jumping in it and hearing it come to life.....I'm a little different then most tho, I recognize that lol.
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Reveira or catalina? Impala is still doable since most Engien/suspension part are the same if you find an impala body later on. Still use the sbc and the twins...
65 imp is my dream car.....that and a 46/47 ford coupe.... Nick Scavo and Fat Jack Robinson were huge influences for me.....an 8 sec 10.5 tire full size ride.....or fat rendered race car that looked like a typical poser pro street car.....mmmmm.....perfect
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While the Howards cams are really really really good , and you can go to their site and see all about them
and that one is one of the good ones (needs the springs). , I'm sticking to my recomendation,
(It suits the 3000 stall and short headers better.)
on the specific Lunati/UD harold cam for your car. Its the right cam for your car.
Don't car if its a few more dollars to buy. You can use anybodys solid lifters on it. Isky, Lunati, Howards
Crane, I don;t care.

(by saying "Rule the Streets" be clear I do all my racing at the track. I insist all my friends do to... And we do.
But we do enjoy the cruise scene, which is very active here)( And the track is never too far away and always accommodating)

Howards Cams Another really good camshaft company. IMHO
Perfect, like I said, i trust your judgment, will call Monday and get some pricing....and are solids harder on valve springs then a hyd cam?
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