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Old 11-10-2012, 08:03 AM
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If this is primarily a street driven vehicle that isn't street or track raced for money, you will kick yourself every time you drive it w/almost all of the cams mentioned on this thread. The cam in it now is just a little smaller than what will make an outstanding ride for everything except the 1/2 of 1% of the time that it's at WOT all the way through the gears.

You said yourself it runs good to 6K rpm, so what is it you hope to gain by going w/a cam several magnitudes more radical than what is in it now? Because I can tell you from experience that an over cammed engine is a real turd on the street. Unless you are taking it to the track this is a real waste.

I see this all too often here. There are max acceleration combos (high compression, big lumpy cams, loose torque converters, low rear gears) that when driven on the street- where there's no traction and LE to contend with- are just no fun other than the fender rattling idle.

Then there are all around combos that have good torque below 4K rpm and do not require the other less street friendly parts. You are heading towards a max acceleration combo- and for the vast majority of the time and for the vast majority of the drivers out there, this will not be any fun at all on a regular basis driven on the street. Just being the devil's advocate here, giving a bit of a reality check. If you're fine w/the downsides, then go for it and good luck.
Because that's exactly what I enjoy in a "toy".....here's my take, I have this car cause its loud, bright, slightly obnoxious, and fun as hell.....yep, admittadly there's a bit of "thmpr cam" mentality, I like rolling into the Fri night cruise sounding mean and nasty, I like how it feels when i hit the key and its hard to get it warmed up, trying to get it to idle, snarly....I love it....but where I differ from the thmpr CAm crowd, i hit our local dragstrip cruise night often, right or wrong I hit the Fri night street stuff occasionally, hell, I have a quarter mile marked on a back road close to home that I regularly stop all by myself, and run it till the shift light comes on in 3rd. Just for me, all alone, cause its awesome....so I want it to run as good as it sounds.....I like maximum effort, im OK with piss poor gas mileage, a rough idle, a big converter, because its not a daily driver....its my "toy".....its supposed to be a little bit of effort......its supposed to give me goose bumps and a giant ego every time I drive it......and it does....
Hell, my DD is a lowered grand marquis, with single chamber flows, hypertech programmer, gears, and a home built shift kit. I dont "do" boring....
When i need quiet or smooth, I have the wife's charger....
That's my rant......and just my humble opinion...

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Old 11-10-2012, 08:12 AM
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That rant not withstanding, if I could afford it, I would have a full size late 60's impala, with a low compression SBC, fuel injection and twins,....having 800hp, a smooth idle, and a sleeper vibe is also hugely cool....but I haven't figured out how to make people give me money for absolutely no reason yet.
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Because that's exactly what I enjoy in a "toy".....here's my take, I have this car cause its loud, bright, slightly obnoxious, and fun as hell.....yep, admittadly there's a bit of "thmpr cam" mentality, I like rolling into the Fri night cruise sounding mean and nasty, I like how it feels when i hit the key and its hard to get it warmed up, trying to get it to idle, snarly....I love it....but where I differ from the thmpr CAm crowd, i hit our local dragstrip cruise night often, right or wrong I hit the Fri night street stuff occasionally, hell, I have a quarter mile marked on a back road close to home that I regularly stop all by myself, and run it till the shift light comes on in 3rd. Just for me, all alone, cause its awesome....so I want it to run as good as it sounds.....I like maximum effort, im OK with piss poor gas mileage, a rough idle, a big converter, because its not a daily driver....its my "toy".....its supposed to be a little bit of effort......its supposed to give me goose bumps and a giant ego every time I drive it......and it does....
Hell, my DD is a lowered grand marquis, with single chamber flows, hypertech programmer, gears, and a home built shift kit. I dont "do" boring....
When i need quiet or smooth, I have the wife's charger....
That's my rant......and just my humble opinion...
Except for the street racing part, I feel ya. Like I said: As long as you're OK w/the down sides...

But do get some good heads asap.
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After your explanation above about what you really want^^^^I withdraw my opinion about your present cam and defer to the experts. Sorry about that, I mistakenly thought we were talking more about a daily driver. Good luck with your build, Bill.
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Old 11-10-2012, 08:39 AM
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Except for the street racing part, I feel ya. Like I said: As long as you're OK w/the down sides...

But do get some good heads asap.
Lol......thnks man.....for me the "downside's" are alot of the fun.
And my little heads would surprise alot of people....
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After your explanation above about what you really want^^^^I withdraw my opinion about your present cam and defer to the experts. Sorry about that, I mistakenly thought we were talking more about a daily driver. Good luck with your build, Bill.
Its all good Bill.....I daily drove (summer time) my Malibu wagon, 355, T5 and 411's...and for me, it lost some of its appeal....I learned that leaving it in the garage 2 or 3 days a week just made getting home, or the weekends so much more fun looking forward to jumping in it and hearing it come to life.....I'm a little different then most tho, I recognize that lol.
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Reveira or catalina? Impala is still doable since most Engien/suspension part are the same if you find an impala body later on. Still use the sbc and the twins...
65 imp is my dream car.....that and a 46/47 ford coupe.... Nick Scavo and Fat Jack Robinson were huge influences for me.....an 8 sec 10.5 tire full size ride.....or fat rendered race car that looked like a typical poser pro street car.....mmmmm.....perfect
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While the Howards cams are really really really good , and you can go to their site and see all about them
and that one is one of the good ones (needs the springs). , I'm sticking to my recomendation,
(It suits the 3000 stall and short headers better.)
on the specific Lunati/UD harold cam for your car. Its the right cam for your car.
Don't car if its a few more dollars to buy. You can use anybodys solid lifters on it. Isky, Lunati, Howards
Crane, I don;t care.

(by saying "Rule the Streets" be clear I do all my racing at the track. I insist all my friends do to... And we do.
But we do enjoy the cruise scene, which is very active here)( And the track is never too far away and always accommodating)

Howards Cams Another really good camshaft company. IMHO
Perfect, like I said, i trust your judgment, will call Monday and get some pricing....and are solids harder on valve springs then a hyd cam?
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Old 11-10-2012, 10:17 AM
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If your going to 800 hp you will probably want to buy a frame. The cost is not bad if you got garage space i would start with a frame on jack stands and build one part at a time.

Helped a friend frame off an impala and another make one out of bits on an aftermarket frame and just all black sep them big old bumpers. The one built out of bits was alot cheaper. It was also a crap load of work but did not include a 5-10k price for a rust pile that will cost more to fix than buying one fully restored. So in some cases its much cheaper to start with some tape on the garage floor than wait for the perfect doner only to spend months of go fast time covered in rust and dust. That being said clearly some corners were cut to make the cheap ride but it was still cool and still fun to drive. He used stock corvette drive train in his.


Hope that helps. With 800 hp im sure your going to want to be sure of whats under the car is strong enough to hold that kind of power. I have also noticed that even the purest is starting to agree with some modern improvements to brakes and suspension so it really doesnt kill the resale either. Now a days for myself i am looking for unrestored surviors or something i can take out and beat on. The concours restore job does nothing for me these days.
Lol......the 800hp imp is nothing but a lottery dream....2 high school kids, 2 dogs, a wife, and a big morgage means its all about maximum fun for minimal cash. Believe me, if cash wasn't an issue I would have 2 C3's, one like this.....

And one like this
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Hey f-bird, spent all day looking at Isky stuff, what your opinion on
Isky Hi-Rev Series Oval Track Solid Flat Tappet Camshafts 201525 - SummitRacing.com
525a, seems like it should have a wide power band and be pretty snotty on a 106. Is my 3000 stall and 411's enough? Just wondering what your thoughts were?
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I dunno why I have this thing for Isky, first fast car I ever rode in, Vega, with a 355 and muncie, camel humps and isky solid....never forget lol
I do like the numbers on the Z27 grind.....
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Yup its a good one (I had that one) but needs the long tube headers and 3500 stall.

you want to keep the duration low with jsut a 3000 stall.
Not more than 242 @.050" intake (solid cam)

Here is the biggest baddes cam I would bolt in your car with the 3000 stall.
Lunati Voodoo #60141 and the price is right ( this week.)
get some better headers. Install on a 104 intake C/L
Lunati 60141

use isky 235D vavlve springs @1.75" installed height and long slot rockers.
drill and roll pin the rocker studs and set the spring height.
Lunati Voodoo solid cam
241 249 @.050 .520-.540 110LSA
Do not go bigger than this one. This one is hot.
Really needs the better headers thou.
Do not use those wimpy 981 springs on this one.

This Voodoo has the bark and the bite. lol
We sell you the whole seat,, but you only need the edge!!!!
Voodoo cam card
Cam Spec Card :: Lunati Power
Do not use crappy valve springs on this one.
Lol.......looks like I will have to "wimp out" a bit....running this cam will likely cause me to turn my stock junk until it windows the block.....defeats my budget plan for Now....will save it for the "real" motor next year....this time around will likely try the Z-25 or 27 grind and see how that and the converter wake my junk up...I suspect going from the wee lunati I have now, and the stock converter its going to feel like a whole new animal.....
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Your present TC will have a lower stall from the hit at idle than it did w/the "wimpy" cam.
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Lol.......looks like I will have to "wimp out" a bit....running this cam will likely cause me to turn my stock junk until it windows the block.....defeats my budget plan for Now....will save it for the "real" motor next year....this time around will likely try the Z-25 or 27 grind and see how that and the converter wake my junk up...I suspect going from the wee lunati I have now, and the stock converter its going to feel like a whole new animal.....
Of all the cams mentioned in this thread, the 401A3 mentioned on page 1 by F'bird is still the best matched to your application. I don't know if you're at all interested in a well matched combo but if you are there really hasn't been a reason to look at any of the other cams mentioned.
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Am I really agreeing w/you on something? Weird feeling. It wouldn't be my choice if he was to swap to decent aftermarket heads later though, so at least there's that.
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