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Old 07-11-2013, 08:04 PM
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I never worked on one of these but I'm guessing the 59 has a rinky dink upper apron. Any thoughts?

1959 Chevrolet Bel Air vs. 2009 Chevrolet Malibu crash test - YouTube

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Old 07-11-2013, 08:19 PM
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crap i have a 58 nomad, do not forward to my insurance co. dam the funny thing is if a punch my 58 i will have a cast on , hit that 2009 i left a $2000 dent.
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Old 07-11-2013, 08:27 PM
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I have first hand knowledge on 2004 Cavalier VS 2004 Peterbilt pulling a Timpte grain trailer. When Cavalier t-bones Peterbilt and Timpte, Cavalier loses badly. That video reminds me of that. Not fair, not comparing the same thing at all. Crash worthiness has come a long way since 1959.
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Old 07-11-2013, 08:44 PM
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after seeing that i guess big heavy steel is crap. and it really is all about the infrastructure!!
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after seeing that i guess big heavy steel is crap. and it really is all about the infrastructure!!
The thing they didn't show you was how badly the frame was rusted on the 59 from sitting on the ground somewhere for 20 years. It could have just been a bondo buggy. How do we know? We don't.

The newer cars are safer, a lot of research has been put into them over the years. I don't think they even had crash tests in 1959. That crash test dummy has been skewered by the steering column.
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I think the type of crash they chose was the most catastrophic for that design of car compared to the the Malibu. I learned to drive in my 1984 Caprice and it was the school of hard knocks. I hit a ton of things in that old car and was involved in a couple low speed collisions (neither surprisingly were my fault.) The only time I ever aesthetically damaged the car was when I hit the rear bumper of the my dad's 94 F-350 - as it was bought in an auctioned from a power company and had a pretty serious stahl truck box for a bed - dented the front bumper, didn't even get to the sheet metal. It's no 1959, but it's designed in a similar manner and it is a tank of a car.

On the flipside, I was rear ended multiple times in my daily driver that replaced it, a 1998 Pontiac Sunfire. The entire back end was gone. No trunk nothing up until the back winshield. Winshield was still intact and I continued to drive the wheels off that car all smashed up until it had an electrical short and wasn't worth it to repair.

I think if you put that 2009 Malibu up against a ladder-framed car instead of a x-framed, the Malibu would end up the the much uglier of the two. Just my $0.02
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[QUOTE=CrashFarmer2;1693434]The thing they didn't show you was how badly the frame was rusted on the 59 from sitting on the ground somewhere for 20 years. It could have just been a bondo buggy. How do we know? We don't.

The newer cars are safer, a lot of research has been put into them over the years. I don't think they even had crash tests in 1959. That crash test dummy has been skewered by the steering column.[/QUOTE


yes i did think the same but that was a clean car if not restored better then new. you have to see that if you make a top product, why not show it. so chevy did here. I am sure they paid for everything . now are kids can have one. and we will feel safe. I sure thought i was safe in a 58 wagon.
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That video has been around a few years now, and highly disputed....Talk of no engine in the 59 for one thing

I think we all know that the newer cars are safer, crash wise....but which would a hot rodder rather been seen in?
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I'd venture to say that at slower speeds The Bel Air may come out on top due to crumple zones on the newer cars, but that's just a guess.
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I'd venture to say that at slower speeds The Bel Air may come out on top due to crumple zones on the newer cars, but that's just a guess.
Maybe, this is no surprise to me how that test came out, the late model car has real energy management designed into it. The damage is very localized, it manages that energy with crumple zones. The entire car is designed for this, with the passenger cabin being the most solid part, to hell with everything in front or behind the cabin, that is merely there to collapse and absorb energy so my family doesn't have to!

Where as an old car can get hit at a very low speed and secondary damage and indirect damage will be all over it! A tiny hit in the rear and the roof would be buckled for instance. That is almost unheard of now. I have seen late model cars rear ended so hard where the quarters were a foot shorter, buckled all the way up to the C pillar yet the rear doors opened and closed as new! This just doesn't happen with an old car, a tiny hit in the rear and the gaps are gone, often with the door locked shut! I saw it personally right in front of me once. An ice cream truck rear ended a 74ish Chrysler and where if this were two 2008 cars there would have been ZERO injury in both cars the guys in the icecream truck were SCREWED with one flying thru the windshield onto the trunk of the Chrysler. The passengers of the Chrysler had to climb out the windows because the doors wouldn't open!

How about the tall fender brackets being used more and more on cars these days?





These are designed so when the car hits a pedestrian the mounts collapse absorbing energy so the pedestrian doesn't. I think it's awesome!

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nice post, Martin. Is that a Prius? Looks like Toyota and maybe a prius before they had those funky tie bars. Edit-HONDA?
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Old 07-13-2013, 07:51 AM
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It's a Highlander, 2009 I believe.

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Any old 50's or 60's car will not have the crumple zones designed into it that all new cars have. Should we just crush every old car because it wont do as well in a head on collision?
I think the '59 didn't do any different than any other old car, and I wont stop driving my old cars/trucks because of it.
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yeah yeah yeah... my brother sent that video link to me a while back because i drive a 58 truck
i replied to him that ''i'd rather die looking cool in that 59, than to be seen driving the newer impala''

yes crumple zones and energy absorption is built in new cars and yes it makes them safe
i rolled a 58 truck back in my youth, one and a half times, non safety latches failed, doors flew open
and guess what those artistic curved A pillars held up?

nothing...

but i rolled in style, also paid for it with back pain for the next 30 yrs


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yeah yeah yeah... my brother sent that video link to me a while back because i drive a 58 truck
i replied to him that ''i'd rather die looking cool in that 59, than to be seen driving the newer impala''


yes crumple zones and energy absorption is built in new cars and yes it makes them safe
i rolled a 58 truck back in my youth, one and a half times, non safety latches failed, doors flew open
and guess what those artistic curved A pillars held up?

nothing...

but i rolled in style, also paid for it with back pain for the next 30 yrs


The way I look at it is it's like riding a motorcycle, it's a choice. I drive very defensibly, just as I did on my motorcycle and that is all I can do.

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