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Old 09-05-2011, 08:15 PM
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Would you consider an All Drag Car a Muscle Car?

Would you consider an all out street legal drag car that runs in the 7s or the 8s a Muscle Car? Like an NMCA style car
Like this Nova
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIv994ZQw9M

or the NMCA cars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONT2IAdnNcs

I am asking because over the years several people older then me (many of you know I am really young) have told me that modified all out drag cars don't count as muscle cars any more, since according to most of them "they have nothing in common with muscle cars"

What do you guys think?

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IMO, a muscle car is a factory built car. If it wasnt a muscle car from the factory, but you added speed equipment to make it fast, its a Hot rod.
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IMO, a muscle car is a factory built car. If it wasnt a muscle car from the factory, but you added speed equipment to make it fast, its a Hot rod.
What if it was a 69 Nova from the factory that was modified is it still a muscle car? Or what about a 69 Plymouth Roadrunner with a 440 from the factory is it still a muscle car even though its now run 8s or 7s?
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Why is it no longer a muscle car though? It has the same block (or atleast a create or a swapped block that was suppose to come with it) same body, but why is it no longer a muscle car?
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i feel that a "muscle car" is basically an exciting hi-performance marketing package from the factory on an intermediate or compact (but not pony car compact) chassis.

For example a GTO or T-37 is a muscle car, but if you took a regular pontiac lemans or tempest and jazzed it up on your own even with similar equipment it would not be a muscle car. Sorry.

Sports cars, pony cars etc. can't be muscle cars--which is ok because they are something else wonderful. For example the latest corvette zr-1 is the most powerful car ever by GM but it's not a muscle car.
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I get most of this religion from my dad... So, to me a muscle car is a mid-size factory car with a big engine. Camaros and mustangs are pony cars, not muscle cars for example. From the GM side that would mean GTOs, Chevelles, Cutlasses and Skylarks.

In modern cars there really isn't a mid size car anymore in my opinion. Of course there aren't any big blocks in cars either. If you drop the engine requirement then really you are limited to cars like the GTO, 90's impala SS and even "gasp" the late 80's grand nationals. I honestly can't think of a modern ford that fits that category, but dodge's new charger is pretty slick.

Race cars? no.
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I think pocket5s summed it up pretty well. I do, however, think there are F-body cars that were/are muscle cars- like the factory SS 396's or T/A w/455 HO, etc. Same thing for big block Mustangs, 'Cuda's, etc. "Pony cars" were equipped w/small blocks, IMO.

IMO if a muscle car was used to make a drag race car, it's now a drag race car. I think a muscle car should be street legal and not vary too far from original, in order to hold the name.
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IMO if a muscle car was used to make a drag race car, it's now a drag race car. I think a muscle car should be street legal and not vary too far from original, in order to hold the name.
I always thought they were Drag Muscle cars, since the NMCA is the National Muscle Car Association so I always called them muscle cars still. Though it seems like most Muscle Car guys always try to say they aren't any more.
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I always thought they were Drag Muscle cars, since the NMCA is the National Muscle Car Association so I always called them muscle cars still. Though it seems like most Muscle Car guys always try to say they aren't any more.
The NMCA is a sanctioning body that has various classes, and many of these classes have little or nothing to do w/"traditional" muscle cars- in the past they've had classes for LSx powered cars, EFI equipped cars and front wheel drive 4 bangers, for example.

The title "drag race mucsle cars" is new to me. And while I don't doubt there are guys who have cut up original muscle cars to make them into true drag cars, the majority of muscle car owners recognise the REAL value of their cars lies in restored or 'survivor' originals as opposed to radically modified drag race cars.
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The NMCA is a sanctioning body that has various classes, and many of these classes have little or nothing to do w/"traditional" muscle cars- in the past they've had classes for LSx powered cars, EFI equipped cars and front wheel drive 4 bangers, for example.

The title "drag race mucsle cars" is new to me. And while I don't doubt there are guys who have cut up original muscle cars to make them into true drag cars, the majority of muscle car owners recognise the REAL value of their cars lies in restored or 'survivor' originals as opposed to radically modified drag race cars.
They had Front Wheel Drive 4 Bangers in the NMCA? I don't think I have ever seen that.

For titles I have heard at NMCA events are Street and Strip Cars, Drag Car, Modified Muscle Cars, Pro Street, and drag muscle cars.
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First- I am not an authority on the NMCA. I am going by what I have heard and read. A quick search brought this car rag article up- http://www.popularhotrodding.com/eve...ory/index.html which says in part:

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Non-traditional musclecars and front-wheel-drive sport compacts, such as 6-cylinder Mustangs/Camaros, the Ford SVT Lightning, the 345hp Cadillac Escalade, Ford SVT Focus or even the Honda Civic Si have had a history of success within various street-legal classes in NMCA. The new Super Series will encourage new blood from these areas while looking at adapting rules where necessary to help make street machines like these competitive.
But regardless, I do not classify a hard core race car, constructed as such and certified for 8's in the quarter mile for example, as a "muscle car". YMMV, and that's OK, too.
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First- I am not an authority on the NMCA. I am going by what I have heard and read. A quick search brought this car rag article up- http://www.popularhotrodding.com/eve...ory/index.html which says in part:



But regardless, I do not classify a hard core race car, constructed as such and certified for 8's in the quarter mile for example, as a "muscle car". YMMV, and that's OK, too.
I never new they had those cars, must have been short lived. Thanks for the link.
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I am with "Pockets".

I was in high school in the early sixties, and an avid car enthusiast, and car magazine collector. When the term evolved after the release of the '64 GTO, it was a "mid size factory car with a big block"... and that's all a muscle car ever was.

ALL of the "pony cars" were given their nickname because they followed the styling set by the Mustang. In the sixties and seventies, when muscle cars evolved, nobody was calling the smaller, long-nose, short deck cars "muscle cars".

Once the car gets too chopped up for racing... new suspensions or chassis... major engine mods... etc. I personally don't think that any long-term enthusiast will ever describe it as a muscle car, since it lost that factory configuration. It doesn't mean that a car isn't cool. It just needs to be decribed differently, so people know what you have.

In the last 10-15 years I have seen many relative newcomers decide that their own interpretation of "car names" is simply the way it should be, despite the experiences of millions of people before them. I would disagree, as the general public had made those decisions before most of the complainers were even born.

This is America, so you can call it whatever you want... but don't expect most enthusiasts to understand what you are trying to describe.
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