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Old 02-27-2013, 12:48 PM
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wyo tech graduate can't even take off a plastic clip

the new kid just graduated wyo tech and asked how to take off a plastic clip. Are you fricken serious? the kid pays 20k and they can't even teach him to take off plastic clips? What good is he then to a shop?

You bet he had on his safety glasses though to remove a fender liner.
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Old 02-27-2013, 01:04 PM
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In his defense, what kind of car was he working on? These cars are COVERED in clips these days, often one time use, they will break 99 times out of a 100. That being said we can't possible know all the clips and how to get them all off, we go to one an other around the shop all the time to see who may know how to get off a particular clip, it's just how it is.

He is new there? Just a little gun shy and doesn't want to break something?

We have a wyotech grad at the shop who can tell you how to chop the top on a Chevy pickup but needs help with a lot of other things, they couldn't teach them everything.

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Old 02-27-2013, 01:18 PM
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I agree Brian, maybe cut the kid a bit of slack Henry, I understand and it can be frustrating...I remember just hiring a 1st year apprentice mechanic working for me and one day I asked him to install 4 new tires on a 64 Dodge. 20 minutes later he came to me holding 10 lug nuts with the wheel studs still on them in his hand and told me that all the lug nuts on one side where striped....I thought to myself, a 1st year apprentice and he doesn't know that MoPar's have right hand thread on one side and left hand thread on the other? Turns out he didn't...that was never taught in school but, he never did it again and turned out to be a good Tech.

I remember my first day in a body shop, they asked me to mask up an antenna...so I went around that antenna until it was masked up...then they showed me how to run the masking tape up the antenna and fold it over...I never did that again either...as a matter of fact...after that I'd mask of the base and I took a piece of air hose and just threw over the antenna...then I realized that it took little time to take it off and it did a better job. It's all a progression.

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That would make you want to ask what he leaned at school.
Book smart I guess.
At least he has initiative and went to school to learn how to WORK.
Razz him about being a "school boy" but seriously good for him for trying to learn.
You could also Rib him ...tell him he should ask for his tuition back.
I remember when I started working on vehicles as a professional. it was nice to have a boss who was patient.
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In his defense, what kind of car was he working on? These cars are COVERED in clips these days, often one time use, they will break 99 times out of a 100. That being said we can't possible know all the clips and how to get them all off, we go to one an other around the shop all the time to see who may know how to get off a particular clip, it's just how it is.

He is new there? Just a little gun shy and doesn't want to break something?

We have a wyotech grad at the shop who can tell you how to chop the top on a Chevy pickup but needs help with a lot of other things, they couldn't teach them everything.

Brian
I also started by formal training. The difference was I only paid $150 had a lot less training time but was taught by a REAL body man. I knew how to take off those clips before even having to try. Sorry Martin, there's absolutely no excuse for that kid not knowing how to take off a clip. It's just pathetic.
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That would make you want to ask what he leaned at school.
Book smart I guess.
At least he has initiative and went to school to learn how to WORK.
Razz him about being a "school boy" but seriously good for him for trying to learn.
You could also Rib him ...tell him he should ask for his tuition back.
I remember when I started working on vehicles as a professional. it was nice to have a boss who was patient.
There's a few jobs I can think of for him... sweeping, stripping cars, cleaning up, and if he shows promise he can prep jambs. These are the only things I trust him to do. So are you saying that was 20k well spent when we could have hired any Shmoe off the street that is just as qualified?
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Old 02-27-2013, 08:10 PM
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I just believe in giving the young guys a break that's all. He is still just learning, I get your point but I just believe in giving them a break.



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no one said he wasn't getting a shot. I've always learned that if you want to make it in a shop and learn something it's about gaining respect of the those around you, and you do that thru your work. So we will make sure he wears a mask and safety glasses while sweeping and if his sweeping strokes are impressive we'll put a magical block in his hand and he'll be the man in no time.
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Many of us grew up in a setting where there was a full set of tools in every garage and those tools were put to good use most every weekend. Nowdays it's not that way. When Iwas working on an Army base as a civilian contractor I got tasked with teaching privates and specialist how to move airplanes into a hanger with an aircraft tug. My first words to this private was this tug drives just like a car to which he replied "how do you drive a car?".
My point is that we often assume that everybody grew up like us cutting thier teeth by chewing on a screwdriver handle. You should try to see if he has any skills at all. Scool can't expose a student to every clip, fastener and what not thats out there. Ifthey tough him to stop and ask for help if he is unsure about what he is doing he would know a great deal more than some people I've worked with.
as I final point a short stoy about my most valueable lesson. I went to school to be a licensed aircraft mechanic. Passing all my classes gave me the right to go go pay to take 9 test. 3 written, 3 oral and 3 practical test. When I past my last test the examiner handed me my papers and said "Now you're licensed to go out there and learn". It was several years before I really understood what he said.
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Very well said.

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tech 69, you know how to remove every clip ever used??
like Brian said, new guy, doesn't want to break parts if not need be..
first it was some paint guy at your employment that sucked, now the new guy,
if there anyone that does anything right but you..?
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On this forum I've mentioned this story several times and the post by "tresi" reminded me of it once more so I'll pass it on again....My son went to university to become an engineer, many thousands of dollars later on graduation day he came to me and showed me his Diploma and said, "Dad aren't you proud of me, I'm an Engineer". I told him that I was proud of him but that Diploma meant that he had met the minimum requirements to be an Engineer and that he would learn more working in the field than he ever did in University.

I recently spoke to him and he told me that he didn't understand what I meant at the time I said what I had said but that it had always been on the back of his mind...and now he understood and thank me.

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On this forum I've mentioned this story several times and the post by "tresi" reminded me of it once more so I'll pass it on again....My son went to university to become an engineer, many thousands of dollars later on graduation day he came to me and showed me his Diploma and said, "Dad aren't you proud of me, I'm an Engineer". I told him that I was proud of him but that Diploma meant that he had met the minimum requirements to be an Engineer and that he would learn more working in the field than he ever did in University.

I recently spoke to him and he told me that he didn't understand what I meant at the time I said what I had said but that it had always been on the back of his mind...and now he understood and thank me.

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tech 69, you know how to remove every clip ever used??
like Brian said, new guy, doesn't want to break parts if not need be..
first it was some paint guy at your employment that sucked, now the new guy,
if there anyone that does anything right but you..?
it's a common clip and YES a 20K school should have the presence of mind to teach them this being they have commercials BOASTING about how well they prepare these kids for the field. For the most part the only thing these kids know how to do coming out of school is bag bolts, put on their safety glasses, and safety procedures.


Who said I have anything against this kid?

Oh, and if only you knew the old painter that got FIRED! Stories for days on that clown.

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Just because he went to school does not mean they teach the basics, they think you should now that.But cut the kid some slack, and show him how you want things done and you just might have a keeper. We all started not knowing anything. Also he just may be nerves around you. It is a new job. After a week or two you should know if he will work out.
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