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Old 08-24-2008, 11:10 AM
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Y block into Model A, oil pan issues

So I have my 292 lowered into place to check out the fit and I see that either I am going to have to move my cross member back OR get hold of an oil pan with the low part at the back. I seem to vaguely recall that pickups had this type of oil pan??

Can anyone advise on the best way forward?

The cross member is loose at the moment (and seemingly has been for the last 18 months since I bought the car!) and I am about to weld it to the mounts on the frame rails but don't want to do so until I 'know' it isn't moving anywhere.

I have attached a couple of piucs showing the cross member.

Many thanks,
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Success, managed to locate a 54 pickup oil pan for $50 which has a rear sump!
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I am not to familiar with the "y" blocks, so this was great info.
this will help for a future project. thanks...
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Thanks, I will post some more photos etc as I make progress. I am hoping to get the oil pan here tomorrow and get the engine/gearbox mounted later this week.
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Success, managed to locate a 54 pickup oil pan for $50 which has a rear sump!
Glad to see that you found another pan.

The tubular crossmember that you show in the pictures can be completely removed and new side engine mounts could then be fabbed up coming from the frame side rails to the engine. This would have saved having to swap the oil pan.

Please keep us informed of your progress.
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Frisco, surely that cross member adds rigidity to the frame, no?
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Frisco, surely that cross member adds rigidity to the frame, no?
Yes, any additional crossmember will add rigidity to the frame.

However, that particular aftermarket unit was added primarily to hold the engine mounts. Many engines (from stock flatheads to Chrysler hemi's and everything in between) have been installed in the Model 'A' frame that have only side frame mounts and are quite successful. Boxing the Model 'A' frame is much more important than adding additional crossmembers. Your frame appears to be boxed already.

Side note: When you swap the oil pan you must also swap out the oil pump pickup as well.
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Cheers, I am joining a Y block forum to get the low down on anything else I need to do on the Y block.

For aesthetics purposes I might remove the cross member then. It will also give me more space.
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Cheers, I am joining a Y block forum to get the low down on anything else I need to do on the Y block.
Other opinions are always a good idea. I'm sure there are many 'Y' block fans here as well that can offer you a wealth of info.

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For aesthetics purposes I might remove the cross member then. It will also give me more space.
Although you didn't ask; I'd also remove the tubular crossmember/engine mount and fab up side mounts. You will gain some space as well as improve the appearance.
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hmmm...if I do that I don't need to switch the oil pan!
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hmmm...if I do that I don't need to switch the oil pan!
That is correct.

So that you fully understand what I am trying to convey here, I have attached a marked up picture. See below.

Keep the radiator mounted in the stock mounting holes of the front crossmember. This will maintain the correct side view of your Model 'A'.

Position the engine so that the harmonic damper clears the front crossmember and so the fan clears the radiator. You will have to recess the firewall to clear the heads and valve covers.

Remove the aftermarket tubular crossmember. You may be able to re-use it for your new transmission crossmember.
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Thanks, all makes sense and is in line with what I had envisaged. However, I am not convinced the firewall needs to move right now. I have the old engine nearly in place and the pulley looks like it will clear the cross member by about 2 inches.
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I am late.

I was going to say the truck pans are a rear sump.

I have seen them go for around $50 several times.

Guess you already knew that.

Oh..you might not be using it now anyway. Don't toss it...somone else can use it.

I am new to Y-blocks forever as well.

Just out of curiosity, you block uses normal mid engine mounts? Mine has a plate on the front it mounts too. Interesting.
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Thanks, all makes sense and is in line with what I had envisaged. However, I am not convinced the firewall needs to move right now. I have the old engine nearly in place and the pulley looks like it will clear the cross member by about 2 inches.
Is the timing cover/water pump and fan also installed on the engine?

They probably protrude farther forward than the harmonic damper and need to be taken into consideration as well.

I am anxious to see you progress and hope you will post photos for all to enjoy and learn from.
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Thanks, I will post photos and this moves forward.

I will try to get the standby engine in place today/tomorrow and see what space I have.

OK, out into the garage I go!!
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