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Old 09-27-2004, 12:42 PM
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You design the new Camaro

So what would you build? You have all the tools of GM at your disposal, what would a 2006 Camaro look like - what kind of options should it have? If you're not into Chevy's, what would a Camaro need to be in order for a MOPAR guy to buy one? Bear in mind this needs to be something that could be produced and sold in the US.


Layout: I have to stick with the tried and true front engine and rear drive. This makes sense performance wise and is cost effective.

Engine: V8 certainly, but why not wander over to the parts bin and steal a small supercharger. How about a 305 with about 8.5 lbs of boost. Shouldn't be too hard to get this into the 300+hp range (they get 240 out of the SC3800 V6), and at these pressures, reliability and pump gas should not be problems. This keeps in line with the SC Cobalt and the SC Monte Carlo.

Drive train: 5 speed standard, possible 6th OD if needed for fleet gas mileage, but nothing silly like the 1-4 shift that Corvettes had.

Suspension: can we manage independent front and rear, I say we can, struts for all my friends.

Interior: 2+2 seats, CD player, 6 speakers, no power windows and no power door locks. AC, power steering and brakes.

Exterior: 2 tone paint would be nice, maybe something classy like Charcoal/titanium with some brushed aluminum accents. 16" rubber so it looks and works good, but you don't have to spend $300 per tire and you won't be scared to death of dinging a rim. Maybe T tops or a sunroof...

Ideally keep it under 2,750 curb weight. Base model should be under $24K.

Should be good for 0-60 in the 5.0 - 5.5 range and 1/4 in low 12's...

As for mods, change the SC pulleys, update the ECU and slap on a cat back system and GOOOOO!!!

Think it will sell?

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Old 09-27-2004, 01:04 PM
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I say bring back the 427.
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Old 09-27-2004, 01:12 PM
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Out of the box winner?? Retool up for a first Gen Camaro. Updated suspension/safety in retro look. C-6 powertrain. Why not? Dodge has done it with the PT, and the pickups, not to the extreme of remanufacturing an old model, but their styling cues come from old rods. Might be tough to stay under 30K though, although they could offer a V-6....
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Old 09-27-2004, 01:15 PM
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Layout: Agreed, RWD. Front engine.

Engine: Definately the new LS2 or LS7. Preferablly the LS7. Naturally aspriated. No power adders.

Drivetrain: I'd go with the new 6 speed automatic, standard. And a 6 Speed manual option. (Firebirds had the 1-4 shift also, simple connector eliminated that though)

Suspension: Agreed, Independent all around.

Interior: Power everything! Heated seats! the works. NO SUNROOF. T-Tops/Drop top only.

Exterior: Classic camaro paint jobs. Gloss red, white stripes. Maybe, Orange and black stripes. Or 'cuda style stripes.
16/17" rims. Some shallow ground effects. Like on the IROCs.

Under 2750 lbs would be good. 0-60 in 5 is kinda slow. How bout low 4s on the base model and 4 flat for a performance one. 1/4s in the 12s.

Something like that should go for 25-36k depending on options.
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Old 09-27-2004, 01:29 PM
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i think they should have a retro look like kind of a warped 68' or 69' like they are doing with the 05' mustang. but i think the ss should have a blown 454 and a racing package


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Well, I agree a retro style would be cool. However, I don't see where you're going to get a big block in a mass production car.

My thoughts with a blown 305 was that it would differentiate it from a Corvette by not having the same drivetrain, yet still making good power and that Chevy / GM is making several SC engines right now. (2.0 4 and 3.8 6, seems natural to make a 5.0 8)
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I think it sucked before, and if they bring it back, it will suck again.

(zips up flame suit)

I mean, they had to have a good reason to pull it off the lines before. I'm sure chevrolet can do it again.

The masters of 'suck' at work.

(by the way, the use of the word 'suck' in this post is strictly intended for the purpose of attaching a negative value to an object, it is not used as a verb. This is a message to the moderator community to which I do not wish to be misunderstood. I am K2mooch, and I approve this message)





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Old 09-27-2004, 07:19 PM
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Well, I would have too do a retro body style, Something like a 1969 SS body reworked for today. Like the New Mustang that looks like a late 60's. All modern suspension ofcorse. I'd probley use a a 3800 V6 with the option of a LS1 engine. Give the buyer a choice of a automatic or 6 speed stick transmission. Maybe use a Corvette rear end. That would be really cool. Bring back the days when you could go down too the dealership and order that new car with the engine, transmission, rear end gears, and what other options you'd like.
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Old 09-27-2004, 07:32 PM
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How about something with a comfortable, flashy, yet spartan interior, some HARD lines and chrome wheels. Lots of hood, not a lot of plastic. Sold.

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I say bring back the 427.
I'l have mine in aluminum, please. LOL

I won't ever buy one anyway, so it makes no difference to me. I'd take a RWD Monte any day (running rust bucket or not) over a Camaro any day. Camaro/Chevelle Craft, Chevy High Performance, Super Chevy, and Hod Rod have killed my desire to really ever be interested in them. It almost seems like Chevrolet cranked out BILLIONS of them according to the magazines. And to think I still love Chevrolets. I won't own another non- GM vehicle
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A duplicate of the 1969 camaro with two models, one an exact reproduction of what was on the showroom floor in 1969, with period correct drivetrain options. Or one with modernized drivetrain, suspension, ect.

All the American car companies should carry one vehicle from the past in their modern line up, I'm sure sales would be impressive.
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A duplicate of the 1969 camaro with two models, one an exact reproduction of what was on the showroom floor in 1969, with period correct drivetrain options. Or one with modernized drivetrain, suspension, ect.

All the American car companies should carry one vehicle from the past in their modern line up, I'm sure sales would be impressive.

yeah, but if they would recreate exactly the same 69 camaro of back in the day, the streets would be jammed with them and we'd get sick of them pretty fast...kinda like the pt cruiser, at first I thought it was pretty alright, kinda like a hot roddish feel to it, not they're everywhere and I cannot stand them.



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I agree with everyones ideas on a new Camaro with the exception being the IRS. It's too dang hard to launch on the strip with it. It's also more costly in terms of maintainence. No struts, give me good old shocks thank you. They're cheaper.

As for the retro styling, I think it's a great idea. It would be no different than in '67-'69 when they were all new and everybody that could afford it could get one.

I've had my Nova longer than I've had a drivers liscense. I am in no way sick of looking at it or any other nice looking car. I've seen a million variations of them over the years, we all have.

I went to an all Mopar show recently. In one long row I saw probably 20-30 '68 & '69 Dodge Darts with different paint colors. wheels, and engines. I loved it and I spent a great deal of my day looking at them.

I can honestly say that I would never get tired of these cars. Mopar's, Bowtie's and Blue Ovals.
They have style, class and substance.

The GRC's (generic round cars) that we deal with today don't.

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Did you guys see in Hot Rod Magazine that you can now buy a new 69 Camaro rolling chassis, costs about $15g's.
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Did you guys see in Hot Rod Magazine that you can now buy a new 69 Camaro rolling chassis, costs about $15g's.
ha ha, who'da thunk? New, old cameros!!

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